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Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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I could see this being useful for individual or small businesses that don't have a tech savvy or IT staff. The business pays a web designer to set up the site. The content can then get updated over time. WordPress sometimes is overkill and something simpler is definitely a plus.

Might as well just use vanilla HTML, CSS and JS... no?

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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I don't understand why there is such negativity about this. They state it is not perfect and it is work in progress near the bottom of intro. What I like about this, is that it allows quickly to make simpler sites that can be edited. I don't want to program upload images ever again, or edit fields. Why do this?! Anyhow, storage seems to be confusing some of you, they explain/document that here http://mavo.io/docs/sto…

> I don't understand why there is such negativity about this. I'm not sure I'm reading the same comments as you. None of the ones I read seem overtly negative. Mine is the closest to negative and I explicitly said that I'm just trying to understand not criticize. You may be reading into them too much. For example, the person saying it is like Angular 1.0 could be negative or very positive depending on your view of An…

"without a single line of programming code," the adjective is important.

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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Congratulations Lea Verou and MIT CSAIL!

I'm curious about if you've done any research with this experiment yet and if so where can I find it? I'm very curious on ways to make programming more friendly/approachable, but I have found very little research that even begins to examine what a friendly/approachable programming language would even look like.

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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I don't understand why there is such negativity about this. They state it is not perfect and it is work in progress near the bottom of intro. What I like about this, is that it allows quickly to make simpler sites that can be edited. I don't want to program upload images ever again, or edit fields. Why do this?! Anyhow, storage seems to be confusing some of you, they explain/document that here http://mavo.io/docs/sto…

It is neat for sure, so are using appventor (blocks to build android apps)[1] and other shortcuts to build websites and apps. The problem is that it says simple, while talking about Git for goodness sakes; commit permissions and such. It says no code. I disagree... you need to know HTML basics to even comprehend the Mavo way. Why not just make a vanilla HTML page if that is all you need? HTML is not hard... and how i…

In the storage docs they mention that you do not need to know Git to use Mavo. They simply use Github as a backend for storage. So a beginner would merely have to setup a Github account to get persistence for their app.

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is neat for sure, so are using appventor (blocks to build android apps)[1] and other shortcuts to build websites and apps. The problem is that it says simple, while talking about Git for goodness sakes; commit permissions and such. It says no code. I disagree... you need to know HTML basics to even comprehend the Mavo way. Why not just make a vanilla HTML page if that is all you need? HTML is not hard... and how i…

In the storage docs they mention that you do not need to know Git to use Mavo. They simply use Github as a backend for storage. So a beginner would merely have to setup a Github account to get persistence for their app.

Right... here is a bit of a sarcastic retort: "just use this thing called Github. Don't worry that you have no idea what Git actually is... log on to Github and start saving stuff there. Commit you ask? Don't worry, don't code anything!"

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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post #15

After working with React/Inferno and some of the other virtual dom frameworks, I simply can never go back to templating languages baked into HTML. While this seems like a nice idea, I don't think I could use it for that reason. It's incredibly limiting to try to write your code into HTML with a small programming language built in. You spend more time fighting the embedded language then making content.

Also, you lose all type information when your template language is its own special language.

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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post #8

without a single line of programming code A bold statement that doesn't really seem to be supported by:

I assumed the claim was based on differentiating a markup language from programming languages. HTML (and CSS) is code, but not programming code.

I see what you're saying, but that looks like a function call embedded in the HTML.

Embedding your programming into HTML doesn't make it any less programming. Otherwise, you could say web programming doesn't exist since it's all just HTML script tags.

Re: Mavo – A new, approachable way to create Web applications

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post #28
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assumed the claim was based on differentiating a markup language from programming languages. HTML (and CSS) is code, but not programming code.

I see what you're saying, but that looks like a function call embedded in the HTML. Embedding your programming into HTML doesn't make it any less programming. Otherwise, you could say web programming doesn't exist since it's all just HTML script tags.

Hmm, yes, the readable() value does look like a function call with the sort of unforgiving, indecipherable syntax that can give a non-programmer trouble when they have to do more than paste a sample (e.g. actually enter a filename, including the path). That blurs the "programming" line more.
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