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ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I'm continually surprised that Bittorrent is still relying on content indexing websites. The edonkey community solved this problem years ago with fully distributed search that only relies on the peers themselves[0]. Can anyone with insight into the BT comunity/technology offer any ideas why they never moved in this direction? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia

Check out Tribler, they have the torrent search thing working in a similar way to Kad from eDonkey land.

Their anonymous communication is pretty sketchy security wise, I wouldn't rely on it, but their DHT search is pretty good and their client has some cool features like streaming video too.

https://www.tribler.org/

The other route I've seen people go is that of ZeroNet where you can have a central authority or a service-based approach like traditional torrent sites, but P2P-based distribution of the site.

Overall, Bittorent sort of has moved in this direction, they've added support for trackerless peering, 3rd parties have created search tools, but I think many people still rely on the websites because they offer additional functionality like malware removal and commenting and popularity in general.

You can see the huge benefit of this pretty easily if you compare bittorrent to other things. Almost every time I download a game or app from usenet, it's got some script kiddie's trojan bound to it. Even from the private ones. On the other hand, with the big public bittorrent indexes that is extremely rare because they tend to get flagged pretty fast due to sheer popularity more than anything else. Only the ZeroNet approach would offer a way to solve this that would be comparable to existing torrent sites today.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#52

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Has anything close popped back up yet? There was stuff that I couldn't even buy if I wanted to.

Yes actually: redacted.ch is the continuation of it. Quite a large community at the moment. I would however say that the original torrents that were uploaded when they first re-opened it (it was called Pass The Headphones) a lot of the torrents were junk, but the moderators have done a wonderful job allowing torrents to be "trumped".

To add on to what others have said: an invite would be nice to have, if it isn't too much trouble.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#53
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Pretty much all torrent index that have closed ? They were in a very similar position (no content is hosted, but they help piracy) and we can see where that lead them. Your idea is probably even harder to defend, because you'd be sending the webtorrent code directly along the list of torrents, instead of having to copy-paste a link in another application. As a user, it feels like I'm just clicking on a button to down…

At some point I hope the media conglomerates sue Google and lose. Long has it been the case where I can search "watch x [for free|online]" and Google will helpfully point me to a site where I can do just that, no need to install torrent software or anything. The difference from a torrent/magnet link hosting site may just be one of broad vs specific searching purpose but is that enough to continuously keep Google clea…

Do those sites actually show you content while they install your malware? I've never seen them do the former - only the latter, and that plenty.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#54
post #47

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At some point I hope the media conglomerates sue Google and lose. Long has it been the case where I can search "watch x [for free|online]" and Google will helpfully point me to a site where I can do just that, no need to install torrent software or anything. The difference from a torrent/magnet link hosting site may just be one of broad vs specific searching purpose but is that enough to continuously keep Google clea…

Do those sites actually show you content while they install your malware? I've never seen them do the former - only the latter, and that plenty.

Yes, and they don't install malware. (At least, they've never infected me. But it's not like the media center PC is an unpatched Windows using IE and no adblocker. That'd be the honeypot (if I had one).)

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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Has anything close popped back up yet? There was stuff that I couldn't even buy if I wanted to.

Yes actually: redacted.ch is the continuation of it. Quite a large community at the moment. I would however say that the original torrents that were uploaded when they first re-opened it (it was called Pass The Headphones) a lot of the torrents were junk, but the moderators have done a wonderful job allowing torrents to be "trumped".

Could I have anche invite too? The e-mail is in my profile. Thanks a lot

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#56

It's 2017 and I'm so surprised that BT is still the dominant way to share copyrighted works illegally. Why hasn't a fully decentralized and E2E encrypted alternative replaced it? Who wants to actually run trackers these days? F2F software like http://retroshare.net/ exists, but nobody is using it.

If I work for Fox (or whomever), I share a file called Logan.2017.1080p.WEB-DL.H264.AC3.mkv but it's actually random bytes. In fact, I have a bunch of virtual hosts all around the globe sharing the same random bytes under that filename. How do you tell the difference between what I'm sharing and the file you probably want that isn't garbage?

The easiest way to date as been to have a website that indexes torrent files. As that grows increasingly unfeasible, how does a fully decentralized system fulfill the same function?

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#57

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Has anything close popped back up yet? There was stuff that I couldn't even buy if I wanted to.

Yes actually: redacted.ch is the continuation of it. Quite a large community at the moment. I would however say that the original torrents that were uploaded when they first re-opened it (it was called Pass The Headphones) a lot of the torrents were junk, but the moderators have done a wonderful job allowing torrents to be "trumped".

I'd appreciate an invite as well thanks. Email in profile

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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Unless I misunderstood you, none of that is relevant if you're not using index sites in the first place.

> none of that is relevant if you're not using index sites in the first place One of the reasons that bittorrent has been successful and all the other protocols have failed is precisely because it allows for the use of private index sites. This allows for the creation of custom software that can provide all those extras (forums, comments, ratings, descriptions, etc.), but most importantly, user tracking. If you track…

The "hit-and-run" problem turns out not to be that big of an issue really - there's so many public torrents out there and so many people that want the files that things mostly seem to work out just fine.

Sure, you won't max gigabit like you will on some private stuff, but unless that's an absolute need, issues with public trackers are fairly rare. In fact I've occasionally found files with only a single peer or two on a private tracker which would barely download which were much more readily available on a public tracker.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

#59

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edit: SuprNova! What was one of the first ones I'll never remember the name of? I swear it was part-run by the guy that actually invented Bit Torrent, but it also might've been a spin-off. I can visualise the website in my head but I can't place the name!

isohunt was later but was also really good for quite a while.

In order of shutdowns: Suprnova > Mininova > IsoHunt > KickAssTorrents > ExtraTorrent

They will be missed.. so much nostalgia. Of the old big ones only The Pirate Bay still stands.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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At some point I hope the media conglomerates sue Google and lose. Long has it been the case where I can search "watch x [for free|online]" and Google will helpfully point me to a site where I can do just that, no need to install torrent software or anything. The difference from a torrent/magnet link hosting site may just be one of broad vs specific searching purpose but is that enough to continuously keep Google clea…

Do those sites actually show you content while they install your malware? I've never seen them do the former - only the latter, and that plenty.

Yep. Watched the third Hobbit movie that way (because, after the first two, I was only watching it to satisfy morbid curiosity)

I think youtube-dl even supports some of them, which would avoid the malware issue. Mining its supported sites list might be fruitful.

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