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Chelsea Manning released from prison
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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison
#242This is long overdue. Chelsea will probably be doing interviews soon, and since [she's already been pretty outspoken about internet freedoms][1], she may even bring some much needed attention to issues like net neutrality, government surveillance and the never ending erosion of our online rights. Let's hope the media doesn't tear her apart. [1]: https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/847264510247190532
How are Manning and Net Neutrality even related subjects and when did Manning become a telecom expert?
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
No place is safe considering the majority violent cause of death among trans people is suicide.
I wonder why that is... Maybe the social isolation and pervasive hatred and mocking attitude of society has something to do with it?
It's very important to insist on the correct narrative at every juncture, otherwise people might look into the possibility that those who evince symptoms of mental illness (such as body dysphoria) may actually not be "cured" in any sense by getting drastic surgery.
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#244Hopefully, she doesn't disappear, but uses her popularity to stand up and fight for what she believes.
She's still in the Army. Her ability to talk freely is very limited right now. Only when she's discharged will she be able to talk.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uh huh. http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-respo...
It's worth noting that Brad Bauman, who is acting as spokesperson for the Rich family, is a PR expert with a long history with the DNC and supporting Progressive causes. If he's being paid by someone closely affiliated with the Democratic Party - and I don't know that he is, I'm building an air castle here - then distancing the Rich family from WikiLeaks would be in his best interest. This seems likely to me, as per…
You can keep finding tenuous connections, but in the end, there's no proof. It's all speculation, with assumptions, biased interpretations, etc.
When you don't want to accept the obvious, it's easy to just keep scratching away until you think you find something (look up pareidolia).
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comment breaks the guidelines: > Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
If you say so, then by definition that's the way it is. I cannot help but notice, though, that apparently all subthreads critical of Manning and/or commenting on the gender thing have been not only heavily downvoted but marked as 'flagged', while some fairly vitriolic ones in Manning's favor have not. Not trying to be polemical, and not out to kindle further unproductive discussion, but I would be interested to see t…
There's no need for "unofficial political guidelines" here: that comment breaks the official guidelines and doesn't belong on a site whose purpose is to gratify our intellectual curiosity. There are other places on the Internet for the tedious back-and-forth of "you don't get it" "no you don't get it" etc., but that sort of conversational purgatory is not what we're after here.
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#247I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.
> even if she wasn't trans Who is gunning trans (just because they are trans)?
Probably most notable case is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena (the story was made into the movie Boys Don't Cry). You can find quite a few more on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_tran....
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why other posters are disputing your assertions. Lets cut through all the noise and look at the President's uncut opinion on net neutrality. >Donald J. Trump Verified account >@realDonaldTrump >Obama’s attack on the internet is another top down power grab. Net neutrality is the Fairness Doctrine. Will target conservative media https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/53260835850816716... So there, tha…
This is so bass akwards, but of course as a non tech based septuagenarian it's not like I expected him to have an actually informed decision on this important issue. But if anything net neutrality protects the voices of smaller media which, other than fox, many conservative media e.g. breitbart fall into that category. CNN wouldn't like it but they could pay for a network fast lane, Alex Jones or TheBlaze wouldn't ne…
I heard that same canard posted on conservative blogs about two years ago.
That whole argument makes no sense, but given where it comes from one of Trump's advisers probably whispered it into his ear.
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#249I disagree with what she did, she probably made the world a much less safe place and caused thousands if not millions of deaths through wikileaks role in inciting the Arab spring. Still I'm convinced she did it with the best of intentions and the genuine belief that she would make the world more peaceful and open. I guess she was naive so I'm glad to see her released early.
One might assume that if what she leaked upset people to the point of revolution that there was something they had a right to be upset about.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really not. Some people do feel this way and pointing it out isn't vitriol. The worst thing that can happen to a cause is some crazy jackass being held up by the media as the spokesperson. I was on board for the tea party until the media grabbed a few nut bags and made them the de facto spokespeople for the cause. It was purely about limited government until it got co-opted.
I think you're falling prey to the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. All political groups have multiple goals (as they have multiple people in them, it is inevitable). Politics is the coordination of these goals.
Perhaps. But I would argue that the media plays a large part in undermining any movement they don't like.
They get to pick the person who they hand the microphone to and they will pick the craziest bat-shit insane person for that role if they don't like what your selling.
I'm just speaking from experience.