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Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by singlow »

novia wrote: post #124
tree_of_item wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are a few women who disagree with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5dwaqy/peak...

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an e…

Reddit is considered representative? It certainly has a wide range of views but it is heavily weighted to youths and young adults.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by ntlk »

angry-hacker wrote: post #112
beaconstudios wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

But he was not a whistleblower, there was nothing important to leak besides bunch of state's secrets. The leaks held no value.

I think you mean _she_.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by novia »

singlow wrote: post #191
novia wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an e…

Reddit is considered representative? It certainly has a wide range of views but it is heavily weighted to youths and young adults.

Absolutely not. The OP linked to reddit to demonstrate their viewpoint was shared by women, and I was countering their argument by demonstrating that it is relatively unpopular among women on the site that they linked.

I definitely understand the downvotes now that the comment has been flagged and is not able to be seen.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by throwawy321342 »

This is great news. Frankly I was hoping the fact that a significant part of "alt.right" gang were behind Trump would mean the end of witch-hunts for Manning, Snowden and Assange (and no more random wars).

Alas; Trump has turned out to be the pompous idiot which many of us feared; the "alt.right" turned into a paper tiger pushing xenophobic attitudes with little expected in terms of accountability from USG.

I have to give credit to people on the alt-side for warning people about Trump; his connections, lack of ethics, and what his term would beget.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by alecco »

mmrezaie wrote: post #175
chocolatebunny wrote: post #118

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No one is going to ask her anything about net neutrality. They'll ask her how she was treated, what she's going to do next and how she feels about the previous and current administration. She'll say something mildly negative about Trump. Trump will tweet about it, and everyone will start talking about Trump's tweet.

the myopic eyesight of the masses.

Engineered by MSM

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Post by BearGoesChirp »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #179
atmosx wrote: post #145

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> The US hasn't called for his extradition. Maybe not. But I don't think he decided to spend 3-4 years in the Ecuadorian UK embassy because he's having fun there.

We don't know if the US would call for his extradition and neither does he. I understand why he would try to play it safe. I still think he should be on trial for that alleged rape.

'Alleged rape' is a term loaded with propaganda for what he is accused of, especially taking into account what the witnesses have to say about the incidents.

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Post by nannal »

atmosx wrote: post #145
wernsey wrote: post #129

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Not to mention that it is the Swedes that want to talk to him. The US hasn't called for his extradition.

> The US hasn't called for his extradition. Maybe not. But I don't think he decided to spend 3-4 years in the Ecuadorian UK embassy because he's having fun there.

I thought he just liked the cat

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by rascul »

le-mark wrote: post #153
ceejayoz wrote: post #4

Sort of. She's on unpaid active duty with the Army still while her appeals wind through the legal system, and thus subject to the UCMJ. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/14/chel...

This is what I was going to remark on and maybe someone can clarify, but I don't believe the Army has any such thing as "unpaid active duty". The military doesn't just make up stuff like that. If you're on active duty, you're getting a check and accrueing time in service. Seems like sloppy reporting. Also considering: > After the 2013 sentencing, the ex-intelligence agent changed her name to Chelsea Manning and ident…

There certainly are methods of punishment the Army uses which includes taking one's pay while they are on active duty. It's not clear to me though how it's done in Manning's case.

Edit: NBC reports it as voluntary excess leave. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chelsea-manning-set-be-r...

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by coldtea »

tome wrote: post #89
coldtea wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would one know? Because of the media, power balances, legalities etc of US life, they obviously wouldn't be doing them in an open Third World/Banana Republic style (where, depending on the country/political climate, the state doesn't hesitate much to semi-openly get rid of enemies and more or less everybody knows they did it).

There's not much point committing political murder unless people know about it.

There is if you want to stop people from messing with things, exposing things you don't want the public to know, etc.
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