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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by tree_of_item »

novia wrote: post #124
tree_of_item wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are a few women who disagree with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5dwaqy/peak...

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an e…

And I believe there is absolutely nothing bigoted about understanding that biological sex is real and immutable.

Did you see some bigotry in the thread I linked?

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by EvanAnderson »

lucideer wrote: post #130
smnscu wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but the word is pedant (a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning), not pendant (a piece of jewellery that hangs from a chain worn round the neck).

The mispelling may have been intended as an ironic joke.

There's actually a running joke on The Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast about this very thing. Several years ago they received an ironic pedantic correction from a listener who, in the correction, mistakenly used the word "pendatic". It's been a joke there ever since.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by [deleted] »

lucideer wrote: post #130
smnscu wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but the word is pedant (a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning), not pendant (a piece of jewellery that hangs from a chain worn round the neck).

The mispelling may have been intended as an ironic joke.

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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

tree_of_item wrote: post #181
novia wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an e…

And I believe there is absolutely nothing bigoted about understanding that biological sex is real and immutable. Did you see some bigotry in the thread I linked?

Nobody here has argued anything about biological sex. We're talking about personal identity, which is psychological and cultural instead of microbiological.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by sigmar »

beaconstudios wrote: post #173
rmc wrote: post #149

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Plenty of trans women are murdered around the world on a daily basis, and yes, including the USA.

I'm going to have to ask for a citation confirming that trans people (there are trans men too) are killed on a daily basis in the USA. That sounds like hyperbole.

"including the USA" can be read as a qualifying statement that those murders include people in the USA, not necessarily that trans people are murdered on a daily basis in the USA.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by jimmyk »

arglebarnacle wrote: post #113
beaconstudios wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the "having been a whistleblower in the most powerful government on the planet" part of Chelsea's story is considerably more risky than the "is transgendered" part. There aren't many people running around "gunning for" trans people in the same sense that there are people "gunning for" informants. Primarily in the sense that in the latter case they use actual guns.

You might be surprised at how dangerous it is to be trans. Wikipedia maintains a list of unlawfully killed trans people at this page[1] I guess there are more trans people than informants so maybe there's some statistical point to be made there, but frankly I'm not sure why you picked this nit to begin with. I think it's important to recognize, rather than downplay the risks faced by marginalized groups in the US and…

It looks like it's particularly dangerous to be trans and black, and also very dangerous to be trans and hispanic, at least in the US over the past few years. It looks like Manning doesn't have much to worry about, at least for being trans.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by cjslep »

SteveGerencser wrote: post #117
falcolas wrote: post #105

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Yes, but it's still true, as my own conversations with conservative in-laws shows.

And in my case, quite false as a conservative with many conservative friends that disagree with your anecdote. This is always the problem, personal anecdotes rarely equal data.

The problem here (and the reason you are getting downvoted, I believe) is you think your anecdote of your friends' opinions trumps falcolas' anecdote about his/her family as untrue, instead of imagining the colorful world it is with various shades of conservatism living side by side.

For what its worth, I have family that believe like grandparent's family. Your anecdotes cannot convince them or me what their beliefs really are. This line of opinion does exist.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by beaconstudios »

sigmar wrote: post #185
beaconstudios wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to have to ask for a citation confirming that trans people (there are trans men too) are killed on a daily basis in the USA. That sounds like hyperbole.

"including the USA" can be read as a qualifying statement that those murders include people in the USA, not necessarily that trans people are murdered on a daily basis in the USA.

oh right, I understand. That makes a lot more sense.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #164
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #127

Why is this on Hacker news?

Ah, I RTFArticle now. She stole documents (digitally I presume) and was tried and convicted a while ago. This seems like mainstream TV news, not really Hacker News.

It's both. Ever read 2600? Manning is a hot topic.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Post by lurker456 »

fsloth wrote: post #11
pavel_lishin wrote: post #2

I hope she's alright after this; there might be people literally gunning for her, even if she wasn't trans.

I don't think political murders targeting individuals are that common in the US. Or am I completely wrong?

Michael Hastings and Kenneth Lay come to mind. No proof obviously.
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