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Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

gertef wrote: post #194
wklauss wrote: post #164

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It's much harder to estimate the demand of a child care center than that of a gym or a cafeteria. Not every employee will become a parent and those who do so will only have one or two children in the lifetime. On top of that, some would prefer an outside child care service, specially if the position has a lot of traveling involved (can your partner or caregiver bring the kid to campus when you are not there?) Even if…

It's not that hard, (1) as long as the company doesn't promise that all employees get access (just like parking)so demand is always greater than supply, and (2) new children are announced with 6-12 month lead time

It's so expensive and such a huge distraction, and you can't even offer it to most employees? How is that worth it?

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

dxhdr wrote: post #219
valuearb wrote: post #184

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Why should the company spend millions a year on a perk you can take advantage of that I can't? And let's not assume you can take advantage of it, given there will be a waiting list. Why do people want a return to the "company town" model just to save a few minutes?

> Why should the company spend millions a year on a perk you can take advantage of that I can't? You can absolutely take advantage of it, by raising a child.

I have two, but I'm not taking them to my employers childcare. I took them to a good childcare that I picked out competitively. And now they are in school. Company perks shouldn't be enjoyable by only a tiny minority of the company at any one time.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by rxhernandez »

valuearb wrote: post #220

“It’s an obsolete model that doesn’t address the work conditions of the future,” says Louise Mozingo, an urban design professor at UC Berkeley." Everyone should note that Louise Mozingo has criticized the Apple campus from not having large open floor plans where employees can stare at each other across narrow tables and "collaborate" by yelling to one another over their co-workers heads. She simply doesn't get how so…

Oh man, this would be a great idea at my work. I don't even show up anymore, except for meetings, so that I don't get distracted every other hour by people talking about inane topics.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by ar15saveslives »

valuearb wrote: post #199
ar15saveslives wrote: post #82

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> I have to presume, but it sounds like you didn't read the article before commenting. It sounds like you didn't. https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_1970/wp-content/uploads/20...

Yes, pods have walls and table tops. They can also have huge glass walls that slide open, and storage units so they remain neat. Why don't you post a picture of that, instead of spamming this one? Or do you promote open work plans in your day job?

Which image are you talking about? It's a cage without natural light, I don't understand how a glass door makes it better. Actually it's even worse, because it's a depressive as a cubicle, but without "privacy".

> Why don't you post a picture of that, instead of spamming this one?

Sorry, image urls buried deep inside, I had to use dev tools to extract them.

> Or do you promote open work plans in your day job?

Promoting a weird idea that every human being (even if he/she is a developer) deserves a window, fresh air and natural light, is my little personal war.

And there's no "open space" vs "gray cages" dichotomy. Our team works in a quiet room with big windows, for example.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

jonknee wrote: post #119
asimpletune wrote: post #98

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I definitely agree with your car comment, and to that point would temper that statement by cautioning not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Cars are, presently, an unavoidable fact of life. This is a shame, but all else considered it's the best possible outcome with the present circumstances. Things will improve however, one day. About the open office plan, I don't think that's the case at all. I don't know…

> Cars are, presently, an unavoidable fact of life. This is a shame, but all else considered it's the best possible outcome with the present circumstances. Things will improve however, one day. Indeed, I am currently looking out my window at several Amazon office towers that most employees didn't drive to.

Thats what you think.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

asimpletune wrote: post #98
jonknee wrote: post #90

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It's still a car focused suburban office park with an open office floor plan... No amount of love is going to change the fundamentals.

I definitely agree with your car comment, and to that point would temper that statement by cautioning not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Cars are, presently, an unavoidable fact of life. This is a shame, but all else considered it's the best possible outcome with the present circumstances. Things will improve however, one day. About the open office plan, I don't think that's the case at all. I don't know…

It absolutely does not have an open floor plan. The pods are 1-2 person offices with sliding glass doors so you can work quietly.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by jseliger »

linkregister wrote: post #226
valuearb wrote: post #223

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Everyone would jump on board if the city would just allocate the parking revenues to the home or building owners.

Where has this successfully been implemented? There's a similar mechanism to what you proposed, resident-only parking permits. This pits the business owners against the residents. It also means that a resident can't have their friends come to visit without risking a ticket. The knee-jerk HN-ism of quick fixes doesn't work here. The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the…

Japan, for one: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/08/the....

Washington State also makes some zoning decisions and targets some growth targets at the state level (see http://digitalcommons.law.seattleu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a..., although I can't find a better piece off the top of my head), which helps matters.

The only actual solution is the long-term dual-pronged approach: parking structures in the interim, while improving public transit coverage overall.

The actual solution is people paying for what they use, i.e. markets: If people want parking structures, they'll pay for them. I'd really suggest that you look at the link in the comment I posted above.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by Fricken »

valuearb wrote: post #225
Fricken wrote: post #178

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Maybe as self interested individuals they aren't being irrational, but collectively as a civilization, it's irrational. The early proponents of the mechanized garden city were naive, and we've carried on perpetuating that naivete for 80 years now, because that's just the way we do it. What a mess. If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging .

It's totally rational. Mass transit provides transport from points A to points B, C, and maybe D. Cars provide transportation to anywhere from anywhere. You regard this as irrational because you don't value individual liberty. Could cars be more environmentally sound? Yes and we are on our way to making that happen.

If you conveniently ignore all the negative side effects of cars and sprawl that accomodates them, and start not from first principles but with the clusterfuck we currently inhabit, then I guess over-reliance on cars enhances individual liberty for a privileged few. With less cars you can take the bus, the train, a bike, or you can walk. You can do it whether you're rich or poor, or too old or too young to drive. With cars, you get to drive or else fuck you, and fuck your grandchildren too. Nothing about that fits into my model for individual liberty, quite the opposite.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by [deleted] »

ar15saveslives wrote: post #85
dingo_bat wrote: post #76

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I really didn't find any pics of the workspace in the article. If it is not much work, can you link to the pic here?

They hid them in slideshows :-) Behold, in new Apple office, depressive windowless cell is called "a pod": https://assets.wired.com/photos/w_1970/wp-content/uploads/20...

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Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by gist »

abakker wrote: post #183

I do some small amount of woodworking on the side of my main job, and as a result I have a large envelope CNC router in my garage. I occasionally post ads for craigslist looking for odd jobs. About a year ago, I was approached via craigslist by a contractor working on this campus to help make some plywood parts for concrete forms that they couldn't figure out how to mark and measure on site with a jigsaw. They were t…

What did you charge for the work? How long did it take for you to do this? Was the price higher or lower because it was for Apple?
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