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This is yet another episode in "hey, software isn't just to make you rich". It turns out it runs shit like hospitals. Maybe don't pervert the security tool for marketing purposes.
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It's amazing how many people defend Apple while attacking Microsoft here. It's almost as if Apple pays people to do this. We run Windows 10 and the lastest Windows server on all our machines and don't have problems because we have good, in-house, local IT people and also good security on the edge routers.
The comment you're replying to points out a lot of obnoxious "We know better than you" flaws in Mac OS X that the user has no power to override. I don't see how that's a defense of Apple.
In System Preferences -> App Store
I can uncheck the box that says "Automatically check for updates". It's trivial to override these perceived "flaws" in OS X.
Try doing that with Windows. The best you can do is peruse some lists that people maintain in places like Github. Maybe those work, maybe they don't. Consequently I've avoided Windows for well over 10 years now (except for XP in a VM, which I use for playing Freecell).
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It's simply hilarious to see Windows Update force rebooting machines in the middle of professional games. Basically, a computer running Windows is actually owned by the Microsoft overlord who can do whatever the hell it wants to do. Occasionally it allows you to use the computer at its mercy.
MSFT upgrades are a joke. I worked at MS and the number of times a machine decides to restart in the middle of a presentation is not even funny. This was in the windows department. It seems the decision was forced down by management. I hope someone up the chain realizes how much its cost to the actual users. There was a joke at MSFT "you don't become a VP without making the company lose a billion dollars"
I think it still applies today.
Personally, I don't understand computers well so thus might be misguided but what I want is something similar to se Linux or jails but every application stack lives on its own and does not share libraries with anyone else. The idea us upgrading one application should not break another.
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I agree, the spontaneous reboots make my wife furious. But I think the only real solution is for MS to enhance Windows to allow updates without rebooting. This is obviously a huge engineering challenge but it should be achievable, at least for the vast majority of updates.
That's not a huge engineering challenge. Every single linux distro has been doing it since forever.
People really don't care about eventual (in)security. If given the opportunity, we pick convenience every time.
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It also gives you the option of re-trying the update "tonight" which takes up WAY too much of my cognitive load. "Tonight" doesn't appear to be configurable, or even well-defined, although an obscure knowledge-base article tells me it's between "2:00 and 5:00 a.m", which is nothing like my expectation of what "tonight" means. Does that run if my laptop is sleeping? What about if it needs to reboot? I really should kn…
Windows does sometimes wake up a laptop to apply updates and put it back to sleep afterwards. This can be rather dangerous if your laptop is stuck in a backpack with no airflow on a hot day.
The laptop would be hot enough to toast bread when I pull it out.
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So, no offence, but this reads more like you and your colleagues destroyed a multi-million $ project by trying to save a few dollars by using Windows Home instead of Enterprise? And you're pissed at MS because of this?
Why are you trying to excuse Microsoft's behavior here? Who could have predicted that Microsoft would have actually done what they did and forced the Windows 10 update on everyone?
And yet he wants to completely blame them.
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In my case, it is simply too expensive to download updates. I live in a country which is notorious for expensive data prices. I don't mind interruptions. That's a good problem to have. The choice for me is between spending a week's worth of groceries to download updates periodically or spending that money to buy food and risk getting my PC infected.
This is an interesting and genuine case where I can see that it doesn't make sense. In your case it should be possible to have a windows "branch" with just critical vulnerabilities patched with binary diffs or something rather than 680-odd Mb patch sets.
I would have agreed with this until Windows 10. As implemented, Windows 10 feels like a system to deploy code and update computers that happens to run user software. It's obnoxious. Many people I know have solved the problem by moving to Apple.
I don't know how that would solve the problem; Apple is hardly a great friend of user choice compared to Microsoft.
Why are so many comments about how much people hate Microsoft? This article isn't advocating for Microsoft, it's advocating AGAINST turning off automatic updates whether that is from a Linux distro, Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc. Just update your device/computer, if you don't like the OS switch, if you want a specific patch etc, maybe that should be run in a VM which is gated. But for 99% of users, do not recommend t…
In fact, there's a "run security updates only" option, which Microsoft provides, but which they deliberately and blatantly violated, by pushing their non-security updates through.
If Microsoft wants to stop this happening, then they need to provide a "security updates only" option, THAT ACTUALLY ONLY PROVIDES SECURITY UPDATES. This is not a hard concept.
"Turn off Windows Update" is indeed a suboptimal choice, like you say - what you should ACTUALLY be recommending to users, is to ditch Windows entirely if at all possible, and switch to an OS that is both secure and doesn't ship antifeatures.
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Majority of software I use only available on Windows. Visual Studio, MS SQL Server and Microsoft Office. I tried switching to Fedora.
I'm not sure about Visual Studio but there are alternative to MS SQL Server and Microsoft office. If you're stuck with windows, then you should consider sharing resources with other people in a similar situation. Download the updates manually and share them via USB storage with other peoples, assuming you have other people in similar situation around you and they are willing to do the same.