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Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#41

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They _are_ giving a 1 year notice.

This. In GCP, they are handling these things transparently, professionally and proactively - usually giving you a personalized heads-up, alternatives and reminders as early as possible. Facebook on the other hand has been shutting down critical APIs under my systeme literally with a days' notice.

Does Facebook have paid APIs?

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#42

One thing that I find so amazing about AWS (Amazon Web Services) is that I'm not aware of them ever EOLing one of their apis (I could be wrong). We still have a bunch of code that still uses SimpleDB and even though they haven't promoted SDB for a while, they haven't EOLed it.

I think this can be attributed to the companies core values. Amazon is tirelessly customer centric and deprecated an API is painful for customer. Especially if Amazon could write a wrapper for new API and let people continuing using the old.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#43
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Before folks start comparing this to Reader or point to the general "Google shuts things down" narrative, Prediction API has been superset by the array of ML APIs and Google Cloud ML, found at [0]. [0] https://cloud.google.com/products/machine-learning/ (work at G)

I downvoted this comment, because the general "Google shuts things down" narrative remains. Companies invested real money in integrating Google's existing services.

If Google's New API is so easy to switch to, and companies will get value from the switch, then they would do it automatically.

The truth is that the old API probably worked perfectly fine for some companies, who are now forced to spend time and money migrating.

If you were a purchasing manager in the IT department if a midwestern manufacturing (for example) company, wouldn't this kind of service shut down scare you?

AWS seems to support their services forever. That's what Midwestern manufacturing-type companies want. Hopefully Google will learn this, so AWS will have legitimate competitors.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#44

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It still might not be a great idea for Google to routinely shut down APIs in favor of other APIs if they want people to actually rely on its cloud services. It doesn't look like Google is interested in trying to make the migration particularly easy either: > Q: What will happen with my existing models? > A: You must recreate your existing Prediction API models using Cloud Machine Learning Engine. To learn more, pleas…

They _are_ giving a 1 year notice.

People hate migration no matter what. Maybe Google should consider what how sustainable this service is going to be before selling it

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#45
post #5

Before folks start comparing this to Reader or point to the general "Google shuts things down" narrative, Prediction API has been superset by the array of ML APIs and Google Cloud ML, found at [0]. [0] https://cloud.google.com/products/machine-learning/ (work at G)

I downvoted this comment, because the general "Google shuts things down" narrative remains. Companies invested real money in integrating Google's existing services. If Google's New API is so easy to switch to, and companies will get value from the switch, then they would do it automatically. The truth is that the old API probably worked perfectly fine for some companies, who are now forced to spend time and money mig…

I would find alternative from other companies instead migrating to their new API. Who can be sure they are not gonna have the same forceful migration in next year, next 2 years ,etc.?

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#46
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I'm tired of Google shutting down or screwing up services. I come from marketing, and while I still use Adwords, I'm more and more moving to other platforms for research and spending my money. It's not only that, the moment you have a problem, it's up to yourself, while other companies have a customer service that actually replies, with more or less success. I'm also learning programming, basically because I want to…

Just curious, were you using the Predict API?

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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"Let's build our entire stack around Google Cloud. I'm sure they won't shut down an API we depend on"

This one-year-long deprecation warning comes atop what is a fairly reasonable migration path for most users. I have yet to hear of a single user of any size whose “entire stack” relied on a single API, let alone this one, and who would be left without a faster, easier, or less expensive option in this move. But you might have info I do not! (Work at Google Cloud)

theDoug, how long do you typically get internally to move off of major services to new revisions at Google? Are there services that have been deprecated for more than a year, or even been resurrected? If so then 1 year really isn't reasonable to someone who built on a service. At big co I worked at, I would routinely see 3-5 year deprecation plans with a possibility of paid support after. A bank I was consulting for was using Java 1.3 in 2010 and paying oracle millions to keep it patched as they wanted to have a standard java across the company and a key system was very afraid of upgrading (I think they were really stupid but it's their money).

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#48
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. In GCP, they are handling these things transparently, professionally and proactively - usually giving you a personalized heads-up, alternatives and reminders as early as possible. Facebook on the other hand has been shutting down critical APIs under my systeme literally with a days' notice.

Does Facebook have paid APIs?

Good point. Definitely not as directly as Google, but in this case I guess I could make a fair point that their reporting and campaign management APIs for accessing campaigns we as a client pay 6-7 digit amounts per month for could be counted as such.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#49

Totally misread this as google cloud predict-the-end-of-your-life API.

I misread this as a service to predict the EOL date for a given Google API.

Someone actually built a model back in 2013 to predict risks of various Google APIs shutting down:

https://www.gwern.net/Google%20shutdowns

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

#50
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Facebook have paid APIs?

Good point. Definitely not as directly as Google, but in this case I guess I could make a fair point that their reporting and campaign management APIs for accessing campaigns we as a client pay 6-7 digit amounts per month for could be counted as such.

I think we agree that Google does a better job at shutting down APIs (paid or unpaid) than Facebook does. But I don't think people are bothered about the way Google shuts down services, but rather that they shut them down at all.
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