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Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Seriously. Active Hours was such a terrible idea, how did it move past the design stage? There were some hilarious hacks to disable the Update Orchestrator and prevent the reboots. They work well, although allegedly you should not need them any more with the new Creators Update OS refresh.

Why does the computer even have to ask what the active hours are? If anything knows when the computer is being used, it's the computer.

Amen

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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No, most people turned it off because they didn't want updates interrupting them. You are vastly overestimating who cares about "MS malware".

For example, my wife had to work from home one day -- fairly rare occurrence -- and it was at that moment at 9:00am that Windows 10 decided to update and reboot with no way to cancel and the entire process took well over an hour. That should be unacceptable and I don't know why it's not. I have updates set to download but not install automatically and I periodically manually install them. Microsoft's active-hours thi…

I'd love to pick the brain of the product owner who decided that 12 hours is the maximum acceptable time for an "active" period. Most people only sleep 8 hours or less, so there's easily at least 16 hours in the day that could easily be used for computing.

How long does it take to install updates anyway? Why can't I just set my inactive period to 4-6am?

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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You can disable the update service. It works since at least Windows 98 and takes maybe 5 clicks.

I think you can't after the anniversary update

Pro 10 user here. Windows started wanting to update last week, but isn't because my group policy is set to notify for download and auto install, so all i had for the duration of the conference i was at was a notification.

It works fine.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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THe "ads" are recommended apps. You can disable that.

I don't pay money for software to have to remove ads. When I write that check, the software should work for me, not advertisers.

This is an assumption based on ignorance.

The "ads" are recommended software. It is annoying that you get a toast notification asking if you want to use office online just as its annoying every few weeks my iPhone asks if I want to buy more icloud.

But what is really happening is that anything with an app store is tracking you to build a marketing engine that recommends other apps to you. The fallacy is that Microsoft is the only one doing this, the truth is that everyone is doing this.

There are ways around this in OSX and Windows.. you don't have to use the store, you can still download stuff and install away and you can still enable developer mode and side-load anything you custom write if you want to use the new API features.

I don't like it when I choose to use edge and every time I go to gmail it asks me to swtich to chrome.

I don't like it on my iPhone that every time I use gmail it asks me to switch to chrome even though I selected the checkbox to use safari.

I'm tired of this conversation being so one sided and biased as it is doing the world a huge disservice.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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That is your personal opinion. I stuck with windows 10 because I like it. That is my personal opinion. Learn a little empathy. I have a MacBook pro, a surface pro (windows 10), a gaming pc (windows 10), a Plex HTPC (windows 10) and an iPhone.. I'm quite happy regardless and I find all ecosystems have their +/-

it's not my opinion, clearly they've driven customers to behave in an insecure. Clearly their customers hate the ads and the updating mechanism. That you happily tolerate it just makes you a tiny minority.

It is your opinion, you're even using your opinion to make up stuff about me that isn't true.

I clicked the option to disable this when prompted when I upgraded. It was easy and I've moved on. Life is great, i'm back to playing games, watching content and enjoying my device without it asking me if I want to upgrade office.

(but my damn iPhone keeps telling me to upgrade icloud)

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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> services: they are specifically designed to be updated and restarted I write plenty of daemons (you call them "services"). What exactly do I write specifically for them to be able to continue to run when a library is upgraded?

Sorry, I meant things like dependency management among services. I don't think systemd supports what you are asking but it shouldn't be too hard to write a service that restarts other services if their shared libraries change?

https://github.com/liske/needrestart is quite useful. It even has heuristics for updates to Python code, Java classes...

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Even the ads will ask you if you want to disable them.. "click here to disable future notifications" or if you open notification center you can "click here to disable future notifications". I am slightly bemused we're making excuses for people not trying anything.. especially when computers these days are all about "Expressing yourself" and "identity"..

Google does those "Ads" when you open anything google-y without google.. if we're playing this game, we should play it fairly.

Google shouldn't do it either, but I think we're diverging into a non sequitur. Whataboutism isn't a valid defense.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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A better option is to open "gpedit.msc", then open "Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components" Then spend an afternoon going through each option, setting enabled/disabled for everything you don't want or don't recognize. You can easily disable entire subsystems like Cortana, tips, telemetry, camera, biometrics, error reporting, games, Homegroup, Defender, Window…

Crudely, gpedit.msc needs to be installed by hand in the home version of windows 10. So, this should work - but only in the pro Version.

Which is priced the same as the home version if you buy it via other vendors.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Google does those "Ads" when you open anything google-y without google.. if we're playing this game, we should play it fairly.

Google shouldn't do it either, but I think we're diverging into a non sequitur. Whataboutism isn't a valid defense.

its not whataboutism.. its making a fair comparison. I'm not excusing Microsoft's behavior based on others actions especially since I know this behavior is simple to disable in its latest OS release which is free to upgrade to.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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"Active Hours" is such a stupid idea, too. I'm perfectly happy if my box has to reboot at 3am for updates, but I do actually make use of it in the morning as well as into the night, and as it shares some home-fileserver duties for the rest of my family, it gets used sporadically throughout the day. In its infinite wisdom Windows won't let me set "7am-11pm" as active hours - it caps it at either 10 or 12 hours. So no…

Seriously. Active Hours was such a terrible idea, how did it move past the design stage? There were some hilarious hacks to disable the Update Orchestrator and prevent the reboots. They work well, although allegedly you should not need them any more with the new Creators Update OS refresh.

Isn't it partly because Microsoft laid off all the QA testers? As mentioned on Barnacules' video July 2014.
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