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Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by throwaway2048 »

mattmanser wrote: post #253
vocatus_gate wrote: post #198

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> I have some doubts about this story.... I highly doubt any of these experiments were running the home editions of Windows I guess you've never worked with budget-constrained grant projects before. > I do remember you talking about going to Antarctica in the Tron subreddit 7 months on ice. > I hope that there isn't some undocumented part of the script that is disabling automatic updates. Tron doesn't perform ANY und…

So, no offence, but this reads more like you and your colleagues destroyed a multi-million $ project by trying to save a few dollars by using Windows Home instead of Enterprise? And you're pissed at MS because of this?

Yeah he was practically BEGGING to be updated to windows 10 what a slut.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by AdeptusAquinas »

This whole comment thread proves the point of the article.

Ye gods, people, if MS updates or win 10 defaults offend you so much, switch OS.

If you consider it a crime that the most widely used consumer desktop operating system in the world's latest iteration dares to not be tailored on install to your specific philosophy or preferences, switch! The alternative is free!

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by Mithaldu »

Raknarg wrote: post #414
supernovae wrote: post #374

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This is now fixed.. But inversely, i'm annoyed that this "upgrade phenomena" seems squarely targeted at Microsoft when people who run Linux or OSX upgrade the second new shiny comes out. I'm not ranting here other than expressing a curiosity of culture that leads to cultural problems lingering much longer than they should. Windows 10 is awesome.. the experiment with "ads" sucks but its all tweakable.. just jump to Rs…

At least with Linux I can choose to install and whenever I want to install it. I don't get that freedom with windows, and it packages it's system with advertisements

You do get that freedom.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by valuearb »

supernovae wrote: post #436
valuearb wrote: post #429

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No Microsoft sucks. It's my computer, stop hijacking it. This is why I switch to a Mac. Microsoft is 100% responsible for this malware, they trained users to turn off updates by making them unbearable.

That is your personal opinion. I stuck with windows 10 because I like it. That is my personal opinion. Learn a little empathy. I have a MacBook pro, a surface pro (windows 10), a gaming pc (windows 10), a Plex HTPC (windows 10) and an iPhone.. I'm quite happy regardless and I find all ecosystems have their +/-

it's not my opinion, clearly they've driven customers to behave in an insecure. Clearly their customers hate the ads and the updating mechanism. That you happily tolerate it just makes you a tiny minority.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by supernovae »

valuearb wrote: post #438
supernovae wrote: post #390

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It is fixed. When you upgrade to RS2 it asks you about the services and you can disable them and you can disable automatic updates. BTW, this isn't unique to MS.. phones update all the time and the concept of the phone is going to change.. soon you will have just one device that does everything. Are people going to complain that MS can't then do what Apple/Google do in regards to spying, updates & patches?

LOL at comparing MSFT to Apple or Google in this regard. Googles whole business model is ad supported, in return you get good free software. Apple actually fights to protect your privacy, when you pay them money for hardware they just try to make it work well for you, not advertiser. And their updates/reboots are optional. MSFT takes your money, then doesnt protect your privacy AND sells you out to advertisers.

I don't buy this argument. Its fully of fallacies and misconceptions.

Microsoft offers a very similar ecosystem.. You can use office online, One drive, bing.com, skype, Cortana, Outlook.com and many services free for use with advertising (or no advertising)

MS doesn't "take your money" either, you buy something with Windows 10 on it or you buy a mac with OSX..

iOS updates aren't usually optional, as they quickly spam the crap out of you to upgrade and stop allowing publishers to post apps for the old release ergo "forcing" upgrades.

Android has the inverse problem.. handsets never getting upgrade so people flock to versions that do and happily upgrade away..

which is why I don't understand anything you have said. :)

oh and MS doesn't sell your privacy data to advertisers..

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by CydeWeys »

Declanomous wrote: post #290
simias wrote: post #211

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Well it's just that one position is more comfortable than the other. If they don't update and have an issue then it's on them. If I insist they turn on Windows update and then something goes wrong then it's on me. It's a bit cowardly but as a Linux/BSD guy I just can't stand doing Windows support anymore. Every version is worse than the last, everything is dumbed down to the max and when something goes wrong you're s…

The best part about not using Windows outside of work is that I can now legitimately tell 99% of the people I know that I don't know how to use their system (Windows or OS X). You don't get free service from lawyers, accountants, doctors, or mechanics, I don't see why people expect free help from me. I used to help people, but I've realized how limited my free time is, and I prefer not to spend time doing work-like a…

The only people who get free tech support from me indefinitely are my mother, my father, and my sister. Realistically it's mostly my mother, as the other two are good enough with computers to not need help most of the time.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by nradov »

novaleaf wrote: post #356
sangnoir wrote: post #68

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> Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microsoft's own bone-headed moves in recent years to install bullshit that the user doesn't want. Vaccinations are awesome, but M…

I don't think this is the reason why most people (non tech savvy) look to turning off Windows Update. Most people don't know/care about Windows Update pushing features. However most people DO care when their computers spontaneously reboot themselves with no warning (sometimes even in the middle of "active hours"!) which is what msft has set by default (and indeed has/had no UI to modify in some versions of Win10)

I agree, the spontaneous reboots make my wife furious. But I think the only real solution is for MS to enhance Windows to allow updates without rebooting. This is obviously a huge engineering challenge but it should be achievable, at least for the vast majority of updates.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by mrweasel »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #318

Sadly we have medical instruments (worth 40k)that work only with win7. The vendors do not update drivers for win10. We have to stop updates as they do not guarantee working of these even for win7 updates. Sad but true.

It may be a little to much to hope for, but I really hope that things like that will stop in the future with Windows on a rolling release schedule.

It's mind boggling how much bad software is available for Windows. Microsoft is doing a rather impressive job maintaining backward compatibility and yet some vendors manage to lock their software to specific version or even "patch-level". How do that even happen? Actually I know how that happens, developers that don't give a shit about the platform they're developing for.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by Jach »

zeta0134 wrote: post #432
novaleaf wrote: post #356

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I don't think this is the reason why most people (non tech savvy) look to turning off Windows Update. Most people don't know/care about Windows Update pushing features. However most people DO care when their computers spontaneously reboot themselves with no warning (sometimes even in the middle of "active hours"!) which is what msft has set by default (and indeed has/had no UI to modify in some versions of Win10)

Honestly, if Windows Update worked like Linux updates tend to, I would leave them on 100% of the time. On just about every Linux system, I can upgrade the entire operating system and all the packages all at once without a reboot. Sure, the kernel does get updated from time to time, but the system is in no hurry to force the new kernel to load right away, and just switches to it at the next reboot. By contrast, every…

Rebooting in the middle of a game or what have you is the worst feature. It happened with 7 too but was easier to disable (and doesn't get re-enabled when you update anything). It makes me think that malware often tends to be more respectful of your computer than Microsoft. Sure there are cryptolockers, but if you have backups those are an inconvenience. Keyloggers? Bloody drivers ship with them now. Becoming part of a botnet sounds pretty benign compared to Windows' update process.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by supernovae »

Mithaldu wrote: post #443
Raknarg wrote: post #414

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At least with Linux I can choose to install and whenever I want to install it. I don't get that freedom with windows, and it packages it's system with advertisements

You do get that freedom.

heck, in Windows you know get the freedom of what Linux you want to run now that Redhat, Suse and Ubuntu will be supported ;)
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