But hey, I can ask Cortana for some random stuff and have it fail 95 per cent of the time; nice priorities, Nadella!
Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#62I would like to keep my Windows Update on, but I just can't afford it. Data bundles are too expensive where I live. I can buy a week's worth of groceries with the amount I spend buying just 2GB data bundle. Not everyone lives in a country with cheap data bundles.
I believe at one point the windows 10 complete installer was downloaded to everyone, 'just incase' they decided to install. Really narrow-minded behaviour.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has never happened to me unless I've actively ignored it and I sit in front of a Windows PC for 12 hours a day and have done for 19 years.
How nice for you! Having active hours be ignored, and the machine update itself in the middle of a workday, has happened more than once to me. (Once would be enough.) It's happened more than once to a lot of other people, too. How far do you expect to get with this argument by implication that that's not the case, and we're all just full of it?
See update notifications? At the end of the day, restart and install the updates. It's not rocket science. It doesn't just hit patch Tuesday and then reboot immediately, shafting you. And it doesn't screw your workflow up.
Really this has to be done because even the best of us put it off eternally.
Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#64I was on a internal Slack call with team the other day, I ended up having to restart to Windows to do a screenshare and switch to Skype. I ended up having to delay my working day by about 45 minutes while Windows decided to do a mandatory update without any granularity of choice on when is convenient for me. That's what is frustrating. I ended up being unproductive for a whole hour because Windows forced an update on…
It's an interesting problem. Live updates without requiring a restart is going to be a complex task, how do you reload a library in use by a program without crashing it? Especially when Windows has a decade+ of software compatibility. Their current solution is scheduling updates to periods when the computer is not in use. I think recently they added an option for you to define a set of hours where updates take place.…
In fact, if you can't afford the restart even when you schedule it, there's ksplice and a variety of similar solutions that can switch to a new kernel without a restart.
I did have firefox behave weirdly once after an upgrade until I restarted it, around v15 or so -- but I believe even that is no longer an issue; at the very least, I haven't had any issue with upgrading firefox while using it, and restarting it a week later.
Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#65And the reason why people were suggesting to turn off Windows Update was precisely because of malware payloads directly from Microsoft. "Do you want to upgrade to Windows 10? Press the hidden button to cancel, otherwise upgrade commences." This is how malware works.... But published and pushed by MS's own channels. And his jab at people who say that turning off WU is similar to anti-vaxxers is completely inane and fa…
No, most people turned it off because they didn't want updates interrupting them. You are vastly overestimating who cares about "MS malware".
Bingo. For a while, Microsoft was really good about not requiring restarts to install updates. I haven't had a restart-free update since I installed Win10.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, most people turned it off because they didn't want updates interrupting them. You are vastly overestimating who cares about "MS malware".
Oh no. The forced updates were the 'gift' for running Windows 10. Although I would say this is also certainly a part of it. I also have more than a few stories of people hiring me precisely due to a hijacked OS install of Win10, accompanied by slower machine and worse usability. It only takes a few of those and a whole social circle will warn about it (because of the time and harassment). In fact, I remember this get…
Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#67I would like to keep my Windows Update on, but I just can't afford it. Data bundles are too expensive where I live. I can buy a week's worth of groceries with the amount I spend buying just 2GB data bundle. Not everyone lives in a country with cheap data bundles.
This is a far more common reality than the media reports. I too have had this problem and had to resort to finding cheap wifi just for updates. While internet access is fast and cheap in large dense populations in africa, there are still millions of people with limited or expensive internet access.
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#68I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…
Vaccinations are awesome, but Microsoft's heavy-handed bundling is similar to how the CIA was using vaccinations as cover to collect DNA[1] samples in Pakistan. This inadvertently led to a distrust of vaccinations[2] which harmed the efforts to eradicate Polio (or biological WCry, if you will).
Additionally, Microsoft abused the update system to download an entire, multi-GB OS (Windows 10) on systems running on Windows 8, "just in case they will want to upgrade". This was very expensive for people on metered bandwidth. Microsoft should separate critical updates from the less critical ones and give users the ability to opt-in for critical updates only.
1. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vacci...
2. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/cia-vaccine-ruse-in...
Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#69Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update
#70I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…
The cleverest move was to integrate Cortana with local file and application search, which many users likely use as a universal command line/shortcut (hit windows key and just start typing). I find that when I disable Cortana, local search becomes severely degraded. If anyone has any tips on how to fix this, I'd appreciate them.
I see apparently there are workarounds to get Cortana in all regions but most people aren't going to bother. If we're getting degraded local search because of where we live that seems pretty dumb.