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Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by setq »

txmx2000 wrote: post #25
setq wrote: post #11

I don't know why people complain about updates and restarting, particularly in this thread. You fill your car up with fuel regularly because it has been warning you it's nearly empty for a while much like updates remind you regularly. People seem to complain and say "it updated right when I was in the middle of X" but they've been putting it off for ages. Do you break down in the middle of the motorway when you run o…

You are driving down the interstate, message pops up saying it needs to refuel, you don't hit the button fast enough, your cars shuts off, and you spend the next 15 minutes parked in the middle of the road with cars honking behind you. Or you wake up, get dressed for an important meeting, unlock your door, and suddenly realize you're going to be late because your car decided this was the best time to finish refueling…

This has never happened to me unless I've actively ignored it and I sit in front of a Windows PC for 12 hours a day and have done for 19 years.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by nugget »

CydeWeys wrote: post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

The cleverest move was to integrate Cortana with local file and application search, which many users likely use as a universal command line/shortcut (hit windows key and just start typing). I find that when I disable Cortana, local search becomes severely degraded. If anyone has any tips on how to fix this, I'd appreciate them.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by Fifer82 »

madiathomas wrote: post #12

I would like to keep my Windows Update on, but I just can't afford it. Data bundles are too expensive where I live. I can buy a week's worth of groceries with the amount I spend buying just 2GB data bundle. Not everyone lives in a country with cheap data bundles.

Is Satellite an option, that sounds pretty expensive.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by pawadu »

Asooka wrote: post #14
CydeWeys wrote: post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

I don't feel it's quite an apt analogy, since anti-vaxxers have fully imaginary fears of adverse consequences (vaccines causing autism), while people who disable windows update do it after suffering real adverse consequences of forced updates. A good firewall would protect from WanaCrypt and everything else distributed via opening SMB ports on random IPs over the internet (correct me if I'm wrong), so you should be s…

> A good firewall would protect from WanaCrypt

The attack could come from the internal network (it spreads first via email). Also, don't forget the upnp shenanigans

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by xg15 »

vezycash wrote: post #10
CydeWeys wrote: post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

You can remove the Cortana bar.

By removing all kinds of search, yes.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by dozzie »

Jonnax wrote: post #17
chrisacky wrote: post #2

I was on a internal Slack call with team the other day, I ended up having to restart to Windows to do a screenshare and switch to Skype. I ended up having to delay my working day by about 45 minutes while Windows decided to do a mandatory update without any granularity of choice on when is convenient for me. That's what is frustrating. I ended up being unproductive for a whole hour because Windows forced an update on…

It's an interesting problem. Live updates without requiring a restart is going to be a complex task, how do you reload a library in use by a program without crashing it? Especially when Windows has a decade+ of software compatibility. Their current solution is scheduling updates to periods when the computer is not in use. I think recently they added an option for you to define a set of hours where updates take place.…

> It's an interesting problem. Live updates without requiring a restart is going to be a complex task, how do you reload a library in use by a program without crashing it?

Well, how do Linux and other unices do that?

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by kefka »

jamespo wrote: post #13
kefka wrote: post #9

And the reason why people were suggesting to turn off Windows Update was precisely because of malware payloads directly from Microsoft. "Do you want to upgrade to Windows 10? Press the hidden button to cancel, otherwise upgrade commences." This is how malware works.... But published and pushed by MS's own channels. And his jab at people who say that turning off WU is similar to anti-vaxxers is completely inane and fa…

No, most people turned it off because they didn't want updates interrupting them. You are vastly overestimating who cares about "MS malware".

Oh no. The forced updates were the 'gift' for running Windows 10. Although I would say this is also certainly a part of it.

I also have more than a few stories of people hiring me precisely due to a hijacked OS install of Win10, accompanied by slower machine and worse usability. It only takes a few of those and a whole social circle will warn about it (because of the time and harassment).

In fact, I remember this getting so bad, that local news media was talking about how to stop having your machine hacked by MS with a forced Win10 install. In all honesty, if this were you or I, we'd be facing CFAA charges for this shit.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by chrischen »

vezycash wrote: post #16
kristianc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article points out that you can set hours when Windows will update.

What if Microsoft instead fixed the need to restart for almost every update?

MacOS handles this perfectly. It clearly notifies you when an update will be installed if you restart.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by jlebrech »

jamespo wrote: post #13
kefka wrote: post #9

And the reason why people were suggesting to turn off Windows Update was precisely because of malware payloads directly from Microsoft. "Do you want to upgrade to Windows 10? Press the hidden button to cancel, otherwise upgrade commences." This is how malware works.... But published and pushed by MS's own channels. And his jab at people who say that turning off WU is similar to anti-vaxxers is completely inane and fa…

No, most people turned it off because they didn't want updates interrupting them. You are vastly overestimating who cares about "MS malware".

microsoft needs to change how they push updates.

If I have a desktop pc and I shutdown, I don't mind an update. but if it's a stealth download of windows 10 pro when I have home, then NO.

if people never shutdown, then yes maybe force a reboot for critical updates. but windows needs to figure that out.

if I shutdown a laptop because i'm running out of battery, then updating windows for 30 minutes is not a good idea.

and sometimes you'll get 30 updates in one go when I've shutdown the PC every day and it should have installed a few in that timeframe.

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