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Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars
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Re: Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Literally. Usage #2: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally
Well that's.... Sad. I think I will take what little authority I (don't) have and veto that definition, seeing as it literally defeats the purpose of definition #1. And I was invoking definition #1 there, in case that wasn't clear.
"Sad" used to mean "sated". Why are you spreading the incorrect usage perpetuated by fools in the 1690s? These days nobody understands me when I use the true definition.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...
Re: Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars
#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not that simple though. What so you consider "data" when it comes to self driving cars? Waymo collects high resolution data with every car (multiple GB or possibly TB of data per car per day). Tesla hasn't sent very high resolution data back home yet. Though they are looking to get video from customers now to help make this go faster[0]. So while Tesla has more vehicles on the road, that doesn't mean they are ge…
They may not be sending data back home via the mobile network, but you can bet your boots they make exhaustive logs of Autopilot disengagements and store them locally to be siphoned off at the next service. I wonder if they have WiFi base stations collecting data at Supercharger points? That's what I'd do.
> exhaustive logs of Autopilot disengagements
That would still be only one slice of the many many situations you need to master, and that Waymo already has. E.g. something as simple as entering and exiting a small roundabout, like that YouTube video showed a Tesla couldn't do. Miles driven by Tesla owners aren't purposefully looking for those situations when they engage autopilot.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm assuming you mean the first ones without human chaperones? Because I've seen plenty of self-driving Uber cars shuttling passengers around the streets of SF over the past year.
I thought Uber stopped that program after the red light thing? I assume they mean the same though because Google have had self driving cars in Mountain View for years - this article claims 2 million miles last October : https://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-self-driving-car-progra... I'm not sure how that stacks against competitors but I imagine they're a long way ahead.
I see them running every day in Tempe, Az.
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#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
You shouldn't need to upload the entire 1gb. The central AI can query the cars to get just the bits it has questions about. Part of the AI's job is learning which data to care about and which data to ignore. The fact that the trees got new leaves again this year and it's dark at 2am and the sign at the Chinese Restaurant is still red don't to be relayed. More data isn't automatically better. The hard part isn't getti…
This is naive. You don't know what data you will care about in a year. The ability to have and keep all the data is incredibly valuable.
Historic data is certainly usable. I'm not sure where your idea comes from that it often provides value far beyond what's in the short term cache.
What makes you believe that?
How many things happened today that won't happen next week, somewhere?
And please don't call me naive. That's rude. Disagree substantively; use your words.
Re: Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars
#326Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road. They are so ahead of everyone. I think everyone including regular car companies buy the tech from Waymo in the short term.
I believe that Waymo are killing it, but... their desire to not be a car company and just write the software makes me wonder what their plan is to become a serious driver of Alphabet profit.
Unless they have made some real breakthroughs and are managing to somehow keep them under wraps (seems unlikely), optimistically they have a 5 year lead on their competitors.
5 years is a good amount of time to be the only people with self-driving tech, but unless they actually use it to muscle in on some other industry it seems like they will be reduced to just another component supplier when enough competitors eventually catch up.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
You shouldn't need to upload the entire 1gb. The central AI can query the cars to get just the bits it has questions about. Part of the AI's job is learning which data to care about and which data to ignore. The fact that the trees got new leaves again this year and it's dark at 2am and the sign at the Chinese Restaurant is still red don't to be relayed. More data isn't automatically better. The hard part isn't getti…
You have essentially just described distributed learning. Only transmit the gradients back to the central server, not the data.
That'd be one way of doing it. You could also just send the cars experimental queries to upload, and still do the leaning centrally.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the point OP is making is that Uber doesn't really own anything outside mindshare. The drivers are after all free agents. Once the VC money used to subsidize rides dries out basically any company can challenge Uber. Which is why Uber wants to cut their dependence on drivers by using self driving cars. Then they will actually own something (the technology) in addition to the mindshare.
They own the process knowledge to operate a Taxi company in 80 countries. Atleast what I have see in India they are beating OLA another competitor like Lyft.
I'm not really seeing how knowing how to sell two dollar bills for one dollar in 80 different countries is really all that valuable.
Re: Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars
#329Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road. They are so ahead of everyone. I think everyone including regular car companies buy the tech from Waymo in the short term.
> Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road Which are still way, way off in the future (if ever). I propose 'self-driving cars' are the 'flying cars' of our generation: Something that seems inevitable and just around the corner, yet here we are.
Let me take the contrarian side and say you will have small 1-2 seat Self-Flying vehicles before Self-Driving Cars.
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
Valuation differs from cash in the bank. Uber could be valued at a gazillion $, but if it can't make payroll in 90 days, it's got a problem that would be tough to fix, given the apparent lack of a profitable business model.
Sure, but they could sell 1% of their company (loans, equity) and have one percent of a gazillion dollars.
Only if someone is actually willing to buy part of the company. The last person valuing it at a gazillion dollars doesn't mean that the next person will value it at a gazillion dollars.