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Lyft and Waymo Reach Deal to Collaborate on Self-Driving Cars

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Post by fragmede »

easilyBored wrote: post #226
an_account wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's super easy not to tip with Lyft though. I almost never do, unless the driver was especially good (provided good conversation, recommendations, etc).

Technically you don't have to tip at e restaurant either (large parties excluded). Try going back there and see the service you get. Lyft should show the total of tips every 20 trips or so they had no chance of guessing who tipped and who didn't. Or openly state that a 15% tip would be appreciated and the passenger knows that it's the ride +15%.

FYI Lyft drivers are paid out every $50 or every week, so they don't know exactly who is tipping (unless you like them enough to tip $40 on a $10 cab ride).

https://help.lyft.com/hc/en-us/articles/213830188-Express-Pa...

Lyft is intentionally fuzzy about ride pricing, so even though the driver total is shown real time, it's hard for them to know how much the rider was charged given surge pricing.

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Post by doomslice »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #283
mi100hael wrote: post #274

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Uber definitely competes on price. Their fares are almost always the lowest of any competitor, especially compared to traditional cabs. That's essentially their only strategy other than allowing mobile hailing & payment (which is not particularly hard to replicate). The reason Uber is blowing through so much venture capital is because they are bleeding cash in all directions on fare subsidies.

Are you willing to let Uber spy permanently on you in order to save a few bucks? http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uber-track-location-data-upda...

Not suggesting that this is the difference between it being worth it or not for an individual person, but I didn't feel like taking an Uber this time out of LAX and did a traditional cab to Pasadena -- it was $90. The Uber app quoted me at $38 and $33 if I had wanted to do pool (side note, I've ridden pool 3 times between LAX and Pasadena and not once have they ever picked up another passenger).

A savings of $50 for a one way trip is definitely at the point where the "spying" is worth it for me.

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Post by keeptrying »

jboggan wrote: post #271
keeptrying wrote: post #77

Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road. They are so ahead of everyone. I think everyone including regular car companies buy the tech from Waymo in the short term.

Waymo is going to win because of (1) better sensors and (2) better onboard computing power. Other companies can potentially compete in the former domain but literally no one in the world can go toe-to-toe with Waymo and siblings in the latter department. The ML powering Level 4 driving decisions is not cheap in dollars or power consumption and Google is already way ahead of the curve when it comes to custom fabricati…

The hardware will become commodity. The software is where the action will be.

Imagine what would happen with fighter jets if they only had 3 main sensors. Lidar, Radar and camera.

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Post by tim333 »

ehsankia wrote: post #160
tim333 wrote: post #148

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Volvo / zenuity are also doing well. They'll probably have the first level 4 cars in public hands. It remains to see who can get to level 5. https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/27/11518826/volvo-tesla-auto...

Hmm, do they/you have any concrete numbers to back this up? For example, Uber has a disengagement rate of once per 0.9 mile, whereas Waymo shows numbers higher up at 5000+ miles. The California DMV report [0] has numbers for a couple other companies that tested in California. The other runners ups are Nissan and BMW with 247 and 638 miles respectively. Still an order of magnitude behind. But Volvo isn't there, and I'…

I don't have any numbers but they say they are going to set them off driving members of the public this year. Have to see if they deliver.

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Post by keeptrying »

aedron wrote: post #162
keeptrying wrote: post #77

Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road. They are so ahead of everyone. I think everyone including regular car companies buy the tech from Waymo in the short term.

> Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road Which are still way, way off in the future (if ever). I propose 'self-driving cars' are the 'flying cars' of our generation: Something that seems inevitable and just around the corner, yet here we are.

5 years.

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Post by rileyphone »

drcross wrote: post #155
remus wrote: post #134

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The logs might be pretty big, so it might have a significant impact on people on metered internet connections.

Not if it's only greyscale camera data and some point cloud data which is heavily compressible.

The video has constant motion though, which makes compression much less effective.

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Post by _jal »

yjgyhj wrote: post #140
TulliusCicero wrote: post #82

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Tipping culture has historically trended towards an expectation of ever higher and more commonplace tips to not look like an asshole. Tipping culture also introduces uncertainty into pricing, and means that nicer people pay more and jerks get to pay less, for the same service.

>Tipping culture also introduces uncertainty into pricing, and means that nicer people pay more and jerks get to pay less, for the same service. Why is someone a jerk for not tipping? I pay for service provided - give me a receipt with the amount and I'll pay it, no problem. Let's end tipping, folks...

Complying with minimum-necessary legal obligations is insufficient to not be considered a jerk. There are many jerky things one can do that aren't illegal.

Stiffing someone, legally or not, because you'd like to see the renumeration system under which they're paid change is obnoxious. You're not sending a message[1] and you're not applying pressure where it could influence change[2]. You're underpaying someone who can't afford it, and have no room complain when people notice what you're doing. I personally do believe it reflects on character.

[1] Well, you are... just not the one you intended.

[2] To be clear, I'd love to see tipping go away, too.

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Post by tome »

bigbugbag wrote: post #186
keeptrying wrote: post #77

Waymo will have the first self driving cars on the road. They are so ahead of everyone. I think everyone including regular car companies buy the tech from Waymo in the short term.

Ever heard of the DARPA Grand challenge ? The first edition way in 2004 and the project aim is to have one third of US ground military vehicles autonomous by 2015. It seems the US DoD has a quite a headstart on waymo.

> the project aim is to have one third of US ground military vehicles autonomous by 2015

And was it successful?

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Post by fragmede »

gshulegaard wrote: post #166

It would appear that Lyft is making some strong ties with Google as of late. Between this and the announcement of the Lyft partnership with IBM and Google to work on some sort of Kubernetes router mesh [1] I am starting to see a trend. "We are excited to announce that we are working in partnership with both Google and IBM to bring Envoy to Kubernetes. Fun fact: there are now more people working on Envoy at Google tha…

Only Lyft and Google know how much non-engineer time is going into that though. Google gives engineering quite a bit of leeway to use whatever they want, rather than necessarily foist something on them that a manager bought over a round of golf. (Envoy is open source.)

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Post by cubano »

taneq wrote: post #139
tehlike wrote: post #130

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Why not use owner's home network?

Do owners generally connect their cars to their home wifi? (I don't know, is this a thing with Teslas?) Even if so, uploading gigabytes of data every day is going to be noticed. While I'm sure they have the legal right to do so (via their TOS / EULA) they probably still don't want to emphasize that they're gathering that much data (unless you opt in to their fleet learning stuff).

Tesla's don't connect to LTE networks by default?

If not, I find it shortsighted and rather cheap that each car doesn't have it's own $50/month data plan (or whatever) to phone home important data.

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