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Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#131
post #11

I don't know why people complain about updates and restarting, particularly in this thread. You fill your car up with fuel regularly because it has been warning you it's nearly empty for a while much like updates remind you regularly. People seem to complain and say "it updated right when I was in the middle of X" but they've been putting it off for ages. Do you break down in the middle of the motorway when you run o…

Car needs gas. User doesn't need the updates.

> putting everyone else at risk

What hyperbole. And what a bizarre thing to socially shame people over. This is like using 9/11 to emotionally argue for behavior changes, a week after 9/11.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#132
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

Personally, I run a single Win10 desktop (all of my laptops are Linux-only) that I update roughly annually, by allocating an entire day for going through the updates one by one and getting rid of any Microsoft malware along the way. I am far more concerned about Microsoft's own malware than any ransomware floating around the Internet. Of course, I've also had SMBv1 disabled for many years (there's no reason to retain…

> I am far more concerned about Microsoft's own malware than any ransomware floating around the Internet.

Then you are dangerously incompetent IMO.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#133
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

> Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microsoft's own bone-headed moves in recent years to install bullshit that the user doesn't want. Vaccinations are awesome, but M…

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#134
post #94
post #3

Well, this would be so much easier if: 1) Windows update installed just security updates instead of potentially disruptive crap "features". The epitome of that, is of course forced update to Windows 10. Ads in Explorer is a close second. This would reduce the frequency of updates significantly as well, which would also help. 2) Windows update would use a sane default of not rebooting you while you are in the middle o…

I am not sure that it's really feasible to decouple feature and security updates though. With Microsoft releasing two major feature updates a year, how many variations of this can they support if anyone along the way decides to freeze their current set of features and only get security updates for them? Regardless, as a heavy Win10 user across several machines I've found the whole "disruptive" / "spyware" / "crapware…

> With Microsoft releasing two major feature updates a year, how many variations of this can they support if anyone along the way decides to freeze their current set of features and only get security updates for them?

As I said, it is totally feasible because Microsoft is already doing it with LTSB.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#135
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

Does Windows classify updates as bug-fix, security-patch, feature-update and allow different policies to be set for each? Because it seems like that might help.

They used to. Now all you can get on the 7/8 generations without jumping through hoops is a "monthly roll-up" that includes both security and other updates mixed together. To do otherwise, you either need to turn off updates altogether and download and install the ones you want manually, or you need to be in a managed environment that does something similar via centralised deployment. Windows 10 goes a step further and is intended to push all updates to non-managed systems whether you want them or not.

This is why the anti-vaxxer analogy is foolish and frankly rather offensive. Managing updates is about risk, and the risk from Microsoft screwing up your entire system with updates was demonstrably very high before. For example, anyone who was using the default settings to trust Microsoft's suggested updates got changed automatically to an entirely new OS not so long ago -- a new OS, incidentally, which has also had compatibility problems with various hardware, which also has significant privacy concerns particularly in places like doctors' surgeries or other environments managing sensitive information, and which is also infamous for disrupting normal day-to-day work by changing things and/or rebooting at undesired times.

I know plenty of smart, well-informed people who work in IT and made an active decision to reduce or disable updates on some of their Windows systems for these kinds of reasons. Whether they would have advised home users with no technical knowledge to turn updates off completely is a different question, but it's not an entirely unreasonable policy given Microsoft's recent track record of abusing automatic update processes.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#136
post #32
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

The cleverest move was to integrate Cortana with local file and application search, which many users likely use as a universal command line/shortcut (hit windows key and just start typing). I find that when I disable Cortana, local search becomes severely degraded. If anyone has any tips on how to fix this, I'd appreciate them.

This works just as well in Windows7 (which doesn't have Cortana). Just hit the Windows key and start typing.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if Microsoft instead fixed the need to restart for almost every update?

MacOS handles this perfectly. It clearly notifies you when an update will be installed if you restart.

It also gives you the option of re-trying the update "tonight" which takes up WAY too much of my cognitive load. "Tonight" doesn't appear to be configurable, or even well-defined, although an obscure knowledge-base article tells me it's between "2:00 and 5:00 a.m", which is nothing like my expectation of what "tonight" means. Does that run if my laptop is sleeping? What about if it needs to reboot? I really should know the answers to these questions ...

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#138

Does this guy work for microsoft ? It reads like a partisant piece for microsoft. Totally overlooked the suspicious timeline of Microsoft releasing patched for vulnerabilities that were exploited for a long time by the NSA right after it was made apparent those had been stolen and were about to be released in the wild. No question asked about NSA having known and exploited those vulnerabilities for a while, no questi…

The register is over here > http://www.theregister.co.uk/

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#139
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

No. "Some of the blame"? Try "all of the blame." Windows Updates used to be pro-user. Now they're pro-Microsoft (pushing things Microsoft wants) and anti-user (routinely pushing 'features' no one wants or asked for).

I disabled it a long time ago and haven't looked back. Get back to me when MS starts remembering their customers are human beings again.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

#140
post #32
post #4

I love the way he's compared the people who tell you to turn off auto-updates with anti-vaxxers; it's quite an apt analogy. Microsoft shares part of the blame here for pushing features that the user clearly doesn't want through updates (especially to the major OS version). Look at the recent ads in Windows file explorer for one example. A lot of the advice to turn Windows Update off is a misguided response to Microso…

The cleverest move was to integrate Cortana with local file and application search, which many users likely use as a universal command line/shortcut (hit windows key and just start typing). I find that when I disable Cortana, local search becomes severely degraded. If anyone has any tips on how to fix this, I'd appreciate them.

I use the utility "Everything" for instant search on Windows, works pretty well.
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