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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by nytal »

nbevans wrote: post #240
0xFFC wrote: post #89

Please correct me If I am wrong. But I think with WSL and this, Microsoft proved they are much much more superior than Google and Apple when it comes to serious system software development (they have to be, they have developed one of the most complex Kernel of the all times and maintained and improved it for decades. Yes I am linux guy too. But Widnows Kernel is extremely complex and well architectured piece of softw…

I voted you up as it's rare a Linux man would show any kind of respect to the - actually very very good - NT kernel. Good post also.

The NT kernel is actually terrible, that's why linux devs hate it.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by mtgx »

satysin wrote: post #9

Microsoft are seriously killing it in emulation these days. First I was amazed with them getting Xbox 360 (PPC) games running at full speed or better on the Xbox One (x86) and now we have x86 on ARM. They have some wizards working on this stuff. Edit: I wonder if Dave Cutler is involved in this x86 on ARM stuff? I think he was with the Xbox 360/Xbox One.

My hope is Microsoft will use these emulation skills for security, too. I'd like to be able to instantly run an app of my choice in a secure virtual environment. Everything should be wiped out when I close the app by default, but I'd also want an option to keep the app's contents persistent.

I think they're kind of doing this already with Windows Defender App Guard [1] thing, which for one is a mouthful, second, it should have nothing to do with the exploitable Windows Defender code [2].

It should be part of Windows' lower-level systems, so that not much can interact with it, and it should be available for all apps, not just Microsoft's own apps. Windows on ARM, Project Centennial, App Guard, and more, prove that Microsoft has the ability to do that.

If they don't do it, it will only be for political reasons like not wanting Chrome users to benefit from the same technology, or wanting to sell it as "value-add" to enterprise customers, or whatever (basically the same BS they're pulling with Bitlocker).

[1] https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/09/27/application-g...

[2] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/windo...

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by Grazester »

pjmlp wrote: post #204
Grazester wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fear not Windows Phone is just about dead.

My phones still make phone calls, do SMS, have Internet access and execute the apps I care about. Seems pretty alive to me.

Good for you but I was responding to the previous poster and his fear of the Window Phone platform potentially changing again.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by pjmlp »

nytal wrote: post #249
pjmlp wrote: post #207

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They always did, but FOSS people always downplay the work that Microsoft Systems Research does, as if having a clone of an existing OS and UIs was some kind of innovation.

And you get every situation to shit on FOSS people and praise ms, right? Do you get paid for this?

My account managers are quite happy with what I get doing enterprise consulting.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by scholia »

MrMember wrote: post #64
wand3r wrote: post #37

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I think I get it; but could you expand a bit on what you mean?

A phone form factor device that can run a full desktop OS, or something close to it. Canonical was getting close with Ubuntu Touch but that's essentially dead now. I don't want a gimped version of Windows like I'd get with Continuum, I don't want a "desktop-like" version of Android like Samsung is doing, I want a full version of Linux or Windows that can run desktop applications.

Have you seen this? http://pgslab.com/

It's billed as a handheld gaming system but you don't have to play games on it.

Runs Windows 10 on a 5.9-inch 1920 x 1080 screen. Atom processor.

Whether it will lever get made is another matter (it's an ex-Kickstarter project now taking pre-orders), but the approach is interesting.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by thanksgiving »

mastazi wrote: post #158
jdc0589 wrote: post #57

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> Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS I actually disagree with this pretty strongly. The Azure UI seems flashy for the sake of being flashy. The AWS UI is much easier to navigate and use for me. Azure's UI is more unified though. There are some random AWS services (e.g. sqs) that have a totally different UI theme going on. Edit : the Azure UI is only more unified if you ignore the f…

The way I read parent's comment is: "Azure's UI is not as good as AWS, but the instance is better". I may be wrong but I think parent meant that you get more resources for the money.

But does AWS have anything like bizspark that's open to everyone? If not, it is not a fair fight.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by thanksgiving »

huxley wrote: post #96
Analemma_ wrote: post #56

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> I was impressed that the speed there was, in fact, near native enough that the transition was essentially completely seamless. Not to diminish Apple's accomplishment, which was indeed impressive, but a lot of this was because by that point, PowerPC was so, so far behind Intel's chips that, even after the emulation performance penalty, the Core 2 chips were fast enough to make it no big deal. There's not a similar I…

I think you misremember. Apple started with the Core Solo and Core Duo chips (Yonah), which were fairly fast but weren't remarkably faster than the PowerPC G5. A single core G5 iMac held up quite well versus the two-core Core Duo and thrashed the Core Solo. Aside from memory reads the G5 did quite well. The strength of the Core Duo and Solo were in performance per watt and that's what Jobs was looking for. https://en…

It is easy to have rise tinted glasses. I remember my MacBook with 80? GB hard disk and cursing power PC everytime I had to install a universal DMG that included both Rosetta? and Intel apps.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by jazoom »

quickben wrote: post #200
0xFFC wrote: post #106

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They pressured google. That was the point. Google does not give a flying fuck about developer experience. I am not saying that is wrong or right. I am saying this was the case for Google for many years. They just didn't give fuck about the experience. But look at the timing. Everyone was nagging on google for years about slow emulator. They didn't do shit for years. Microsoft released an emulator, which was superior…

I think you are wrong on the Google front. Google did everything to please devs. Take apple for example, they won't think twice about refusing your app. Google OTOH, since the early days, lacked so much in the Appstore, that they let all sort of trash inside. They just wanted the devs more than quality.

I'm guessing you never had to use the old emulator.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by jazoom »

mastazi wrote: post #158
jdc0589 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS I actually disagree with this pretty strongly. The Azure UI seems flashy for the sake of being flashy. The AWS UI is much easier to navigate and use for me. Azure's UI is more unified though. There are some random AWS services (e.g. sqs) that have a totally different UI theme going on. Edit : the Azure UI is only more unified if you ignore the f…

The way I read parent's comment is: "Azure's UI is not as good as AWS, but the instance is better". I may be wrong but I think parent meant that you get more resources for the money.

I read it similarly to you
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