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Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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I use it with ConEmu and I like my colors... Everything is configurable. http://i.imgur.com/BHDxdOJ.png

Can you run things like nano & stop and navigate around with arrow keys?

As long as you start ConEmu with "-run {bash}", everything works very well, yes.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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That's a prerelease bug. It's being fixed :)

Since its 'bash on Windows' something modern and bash-ish would be lovely.

Maybe the bash logo:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=chakra&q=bash+logo&yeg=B&ia=images...

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Hey your opinion is cool and all. But there are a lot of people who put a lot of hard work into this project, because we're developers too, and we think the idea of being able to run a full linux userland on top of the NT kernel is fucking cool . This project has never been about EEE. It's not about controlling the user. It's the complete opposite. It's all about choice. I like a linux style development environment m…

> This project has never been about EEE. It's not about controlling the user. It's the complete opposite. It's all about choice. well, those are the first two 'E's of the picture, if this is the case. with the latest edition of Windows 10 (S, i think?), microsoft have already prepared the stage for the third.

It depends on how you look at it. The classic EEE involved e.g. "embracing" a platform like the web by writing your own browser, and then "extending" said platform by adding nonstandard features to that browser—and encouraging their adoption—to steal mindshare of the platform away from the standard itself and toward your particular implementation, giving you control over the future of the platform. At which point you could "extinguish" the platform, or at least your rivals on it.

WSL doesn't look to be "extending" Linux; in fact, it's all about providing the exact ABI Linux itself provides, and running Linux applications and operating systems without requiring any porting. There are no e.g. WSL-only syscalls exposed to Linux applications, such that Linux applications would benefit at all of being aware of WSL or targeting it. As far as the code running under WSL is concerned, it's just POSIX.

To me, that's actually a strategy strangely opposed to classical Microsoft EEE: this move commoditizes the Windows platform. There are many developers who will now see Windows as "just another POSIX", and will experience less of the unique, Windows-only parts of the platform, making them less locked into Windows as a whole.

There's no plausible end-goal here where Windows would ever be given mindshare as "the Linux," in order to start on the "extend" phase. In fact, more likely, Windows IT people will be enabled and encouraged to switch to "standard" services like nginx instead of IIS, or Postgres instead of MSSQL—at which point they'll realize they've eliminated all Windows lock-in and they're now free to leave the ecosystem!

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Some of these distros come with browsers and JavaScript engines that can run in the console (such as node.js, w3m, lynx, etc.). Third-party HTML and JavaScript engines are banned in the Windows Store, so can someone explain how this uneven enforcement of their own rules is ethical? Consider this quote[1] from a Microsoft spokesperson on May 9: > Windows Store apps that browse the web must use HTML and JavaScript engi…

Windows store or UWP apps is the gimped version of windows that no one cares about. It's about as successful as the windows phone OS that started it.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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> Pound for pound, a MacBook will last longer while doing more than a Windows or Linux laptop, despite Microsoft's and Linus's efforts to rectify this. The repairable/upgradable thinkpads are probably better in this regard

Why would you want to repair/upgrade (and so pay the salaries of hardware IT staff) when you could get business-leased commodity computers with scheduled "upgrades" by return-for-replacement, for the same cost?

I want to repair and upgrade my computer. I suspect there are many people like me that would like the option to upgrade components on my laptop as well. I used to be able to do that with a MBP (2012-ish), now I can't...

The WSL is compelling and to be honest, one of the main reasons I switched to OSX was the command line. Now, I can have a command line and not have to run VM's for 3d stuff, games, and more. Pretty compelling...

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Why would you want to repair/upgrade (and so pay the salaries of hardware IT staff) when you could get business-leased commodity computers with scheduled "upgrades" by return-for-replacement, for the same cost?

I want to repair and upgrade my computer. I suspect there are many people like me that would like the option to upgrade components on my laptop as well. I used to be able to do that with a MBP (2012-ish), now I can't... The WSL is compelling and to be honest, one of the main reasons I switched to OSX was the command line. Now, I can have a command line and not have to run VM's for 3d stuff, games, and more. Pretty co…

That's a personal desire. The context here was corporate buying and depreciation. Why would a corporation want to repair its computers, any more than it would want to repair e.g. its office furniture?

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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> It feels like there's different groups inside MS that [...] Nadella either isn't willing or isn't able to wrangle them into all pulling in the same direction That's exactly how it is.

Yup, from my time at Microsoft, agreed. Pretty certain that this Dilbert strip was based on Microsoft too, Dogbert's "Battlin' Business Units" management philosophy: http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-30

Not MS specifically, charging between business units as though they're outside companies is pretty common these days. It's as disastrous for cooperation and productivity as you'd imagine.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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I know someone who works at Microsoft (and has for 15 years.) These cartoons are brilliant--especially the org charts for different companies--but things actually are changing at Microsoft. Some divisions change faster than others. And some old reputations are very hard to shake. But Microsoft isn't the company it used to be. There are other companies filling that role now. Example: Even though all you ever hear abou…

Thanks for the downvotes! But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon? And do you think your Mac OS doesn't have the exact same sort of telemetry (or more!) that Windows has? The 90's are over.

> But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon?

Yes. I have much more control* over what google and facebook can spy on. MS as the platform owner has the ability to spy on everything.

*Except for on android, fuck google now in particular.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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> being able to run a full linux userland on top of the NT kernel is fucking cool. I could do that before with virtualbox. What kind of benefits besides slight speed increases would we see using the posix WSL? >It's not about controlling the user. It's the complete opposite. It's all about choice. If I create a prison for you, but then let you choose your cell, do you consider that a valid choice? That's what this is…

> Then why not dev on GNU+linux? So I can have sleep and wifi working properly and working 3D acceleration for Apps and Games.

> So I can have sleep and wifi working properly

Those have worked for properly for as long as I've been using GNU/Linux (5 years or so).

> working 3D acceleration for Apps and Games.

I believe those also work, but I don't play games that often so I wouldn't know.

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