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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by lqdc13 »

mistermann wrote: post #230
AlexandrB wrote: post #219

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> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable... It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything. [1] https://mizage.com/divvy/ [2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com [3] http://lightpilla…

Recommendation? (for Windows)

Windows Radeon drivers have a tiling manager I think: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/HYDRAVISION-F...

Otherwise:

http://www.nurgo-software.com/products/aquasnap

http://www.soulidstudio.com/

https://github.com/ZaneA/HashTWM

http://jgpaiva.dcmembers.com/gridmove.html

http://palatialsoftware.com/plumb/

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by symmetricsaurus »

devopsproject wrote: post #240
symmetricsaurus wrote: post #193

Ok, so I installed it to try it out. Trying to get the WhatsApp widget running it seems like I must allow access to the camera and the microphone on my computer. This is ridiculous. On mobile, this is not needed, and is maybe even fine. When the app is turned off you know it isn't listening or taking pictures. On a desktop computer there is no such guarantee. On the other hand this applies to all software I'm running…

does your camera have an LED? It is supposed to be wired up in a way that the camera cannot be powered up without also turning the led on so you know it is active.

Sometimes the LED can be turned off even if the camera is on. But that may require some extra sneakyness.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by james_pm »

ReverseCold wrote: post #235
eis wrote: post #216

The main driver for innovation and growth of the open web was that it is open. The diversity we got from that was tremendous. Anyone could make a website with whatever content they could think of and people all over the world could access it. There was some kind of "web neutrality" in browsers. They didn't prefer one site over the other. The second big boost came from extendability and customizability of browsers thr…

Vivaldi is a pretty good replacement for old Opera. Its based on the latest chromium (updated within a day or so of downstream updates), and has a lot of the "power user" features Opera had.

I've been using Opera Beta for about a year now but with Vivaldi adding some more of the core features that were missing in earlier releases (bookmarks), it's probably worth another look.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by ivanhoe »

These moves that Opera now makes remind me a bit of how back in a day WinAmp didn't know how to fend off the competition, so they've started integrating tones of "extra functionality" out of sheer desperation... it never works

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by wtbob »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #165
Falkon1313 wrote: post #55

>desktops and laptops, while theoretically more powerful multitasking tools, have been left behind >Browsing and chatting simultaneously is cumbersome and inefficient now, as you need to switch between tabs when responding to a message Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. See…

> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks

Isn't the solution to that to not use systems with poor usability? Linux exists; it's capable of doing everything many (maybe most?) people need — why not just use the superior system?

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Post by Shorel »

AlexAffe wrote: post #166
TeMPOraL wrote: post #163

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If I can have it as a sidebar to the web browser, this actually solves multiple problems, biggest of which is screens themselves. Someone, somewhen, had that bright idea of popularizing 16:9 and 16:10 screens, which are now de-facto standard, and that leads to huge amounts of screen estate being wasted. Most of the users (i.e. those not using tiling window managers on Linux systems) don't have proper tools to manage…

Rotate it 90 degrees. 16:9 then becomes 9:16 which is a dream come true for coding for example.

It is not. It is too thin. I have done it.

It is also too thin to read comic books. Wasted space at the bottom.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by kbenson »

tnone wrote: post #189
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

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> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

> what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

We used to have this. There were multiple clients that could do this (including Pidgin, an open source one). Then some major players entered using or shifted to proprietary and harder to decipher protocols, and others responded by doing the same lest they be at a disadvantage. Now it's just as bad as it was two decades ago.

So much for progress.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by TeMPOraL »

wtbob wrote: post #245
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks Isn't the solution to that to not use systems with poor usability? Linux exists; it's capable of doing everything many (maybe most?) people need — why not just use the superior system?

You don't always have a choice.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by kbenson »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #207
tnone wrote: post #189

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I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

Until messenger apps start using the same, open, protocol, we won't see this.

That is, until they go back to using similar and open protocols, we won't see this again. That's the sad part, there was a concerted push away from this by quite a few of the major players (either initially, or in response to others, or for technical reasons, or a combination thereof). :/

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by oblio »

brianwawok wrote: post #201
marcus_holmes wrote: post #198

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This. So much this. I want an app that remembers which of the messaging apps each of my friends prefers, and routes messages appropriately. If I block someone, it blocks them on all the apps I've ever talked to them on. I think I use over 5 messaging apps (including sms) on a regular basis. Too many.

Considering most apps these days are a closed api that sounds terrible to code.

Terrible to code? Possibly. Terrible to maintain? Definitely!

Look at Pidgin's struggles.

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