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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

#181

>desktops and laptops, while theoretically more powerful multitasking tools, have been left behind >Browsing and chatting simultaneously is cumbersome and inefficient now, as you need to switch between tabs when responding to a message Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. See…

> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

None of your windows have to be big enough for alignment to be a problem. Even on my small netbook I can fit three 80 column windows of text next to each other easily.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it uses Chrome's codebase, including the secure storage locations.

Regardless, this shouldn't be possible. Chrome is supposed to tie them with the single instance you're running. You can't just copy the Chrome folder and transfer it to another location. You'd have to use Chrome's Sync for that. I'm assuming Chrome has been opened at the same time by the OP, allowing Opera to snatch the passwords and other shit, making an intrusion into Chrome's data. But, on the other hand, I was ab…

I did have Chrome open at that time.. that is true.

But still... this is some weird sh*t... they should have at least asked me before.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#183
post #63

How is it possible that Opera got all my saved passwords and sh*t from Chrome? I did not authorize this during install.

You probably clicked Accept and Install. "Import bookmarks and data" is under options in the first screen of the installer and ticked by default.

Could be... but the design is such, that almost anyone will do that not knowing what it all means.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#184

Why would I want a messenger application embedded in my web browser? What advantage does that have over simply having it as a separate application?

A lot of Opera users are mad that they no longer have a desktop email client embedded in the web browser. It's a quirky fanbase.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#185

If I ignore your weird racist overtones. Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?

> Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more? It's pretty outrageous to lump these three together. 1) Google is an advertising company that makes its money selling user data/impressions to advertisers. 2) Apple is a hardware company that makes its money selling gadgets to consumers. 3) Firefox is free/libre software produced by Mozilla, a nonprofit foundation that champions the interests of users.

Turns out firefox is a product of the for profit mozilla corporation the twin of the non profit mozilla foundation, clever way to play both sides.

Then there's history that shows that firefox is mostly free software but not entirely see icecat, iceweasel, firefox pocket, talkback, etc.

Then again a free license is not a guarantee of no wrongdoings.

Lastly mozilla definitely not champions the interests of users, there what they say and then there's what they do and here history again depicts a different picture: - Users asked for blocking of tracking and ads, mozilla repeatedly refused to deliver. - Users asked for keeping the UI they were accustomed to, Mozilla did not care and pushed the new Australis to fit their agenda of unifying experience over desktop and mobile - KDE users asked for something more integrated than simply dropping the gnome file selection windows, the bug has been lingering somewhere for more than a decade - Linux users asked for alsa support, a dev came forward offering to fix mozilla own shortcomings and maintain it, the answer was that they would continue their plan of abandoning alsa for pulseaudio. - Users have repeatedly ask to not make firefox more chrome like, firefox is still getting increasingly a trying hard to be chrome lookalike. - Users are asking to keep support for extensions as it is the reason they use firefox, mozilla is adamant they will go on with theirs plans of replacing support of extensions by the one used by chrome. - Users asked for the return of the removed status bar, Mozilla denied this. - Users wanted to keep DRM out of firefox, Mozilla put DRM in firefox. - Users did not want mandatory signed extensions, Mozilla gave then mandatory signed extensions.

This list could go on and on and on, firefox history is littered with such examples of not caring about the interests of users and not listening to them and giving priority to their own agenda.

That been said, google, apple and mozilla are all collecting personal data of their users and they're all us based and as such are all under the effect of the patriot act.

I admit that I do distrust google and apple more than mozilla, but history and experience taught me that I should not trust mozilla/firefox for something else than doing their own thing whatever that is.

As a result I keep away from google/apple as if it was the plague, but I still have firefox around because with the addition of a dozen extensions[1] I can disable most of the crap mozilla put in there, add what they removed, add what they refused to put in and getting closer to be something I can use. Nonetheless, Firefox is on its way out now that it is unable to provide audio and is about to drop support for extensions that are required to make it useful. I have to admit that it's not as much the dropping of alsa that motivated this but the way mozilla handled this and their attitude. It's maybe the 3rd or 4th time I quit firefox but this time I'm not coming back.

[1]: ublock origin, noscript, classic theme restorer, all-in-one sidebar, all-in-one gestures, downthemall, firebug, new add on bar, privacy settings, self-destructing cookies, tab mix plus, request policy continued, tab groups, tab groups helper, screengrab (fix version), random agent spoofer, SSLeuth, and a few more. I had some extension to make bookmarks usable in firefox but I stopped using bookmarks altogether and now use a combination of wallabag and shaarli instead.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just fired up the real opera (v12.16 b1860) I still have around and use occasionally to this day to test this. Sure enough the tiling feature is there. Right click the tab bar and go to the arrange menu.

Vivaldi (by the original Opera people) has tiling.

I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet. But I have good hopes for vivaldi and encourage people to try it and even use it as their main browser.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#187
post #128
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I don't dare to use this since Opera got bought by that Chinese consortium of companies I'm not accustomed with. Not sure if I'm overly cautious? I'm thinking of especially Opera Link (which had a recent security breach to boot!). Wouldn't that leave out my passwords to China? And I do want to use some sort of syncing, I'd go crazy without anything there or some iffy third party addon. It's not even just about a trus…

Let's say, worst-case scenario and this consortium of companies is heavily linked to the Chinese govt. So what? Why would a foreign govt care about me, a citizen in a Western country? For what purpose (other than to maybe sell me stuff)? It's for this reason I have considered using a Chinese/Russian email service rather than Gmail, at least there is a chance they won't cooperate with the local authorities if they eve…

Might be a bit far-fetched, but an organisation that wanted Chinese companies to ultimately succeed might take and use information you are privy to at a medium to large, competing American (for example) company.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#188
Why hardcode WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger instead of allowing multiple tabs showing up at the same time -- two of them could be WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger like a tiling window manager?

Re: Opera is Reborn

#189

>desktops and laptops, while theoretically more powerful multitasking tools, have been left behind >Browsing and chatting simultaneously is cumbersome and inefficient now, as you need to switch between tabs when responding to a message Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. See…

> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc.

As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I can have it as a sidebar to the web browser, this actually solves multiple problems, biggest of which is screens themselves. Someone, somewhen, had that bright idea of popularizing 16:9 and 16:10 screens, which are now de-facto standard, and that leads to huge amounts of screen estate being wasted. Most of the users (i.e. those not using tiling window managers on Linux systems) don't have proper tools to manage…

Rotate it 90 degrees. 16:9 then becomes 9:16 which is a dream come true for coding for example.

Is it? When I've tried that, I've found it impossible to do without placing some, perhaps most, of the panel above my eyeline, which is a recipe for neck pain.
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