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Opera is licensed as the embedded browser that powers most set-top boxes.
And gaming consoles and smart TVs
Which gaming consoles ? Nintendo dropped opera a while ago.
Opera is Reborn
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Re: Opera is Reborn
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Opera had tiling some 12-15 years ago. By default tabs were just 'maximized' to the full window, and they made it harder and harder to access with subsequent versions. I'm not even sure if it made it to the latest presto release (version 12). Edit: the Wikipedia page shows tiling in Opera 1.0 in 1995... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Opera_web_brows... I'm with you though. I dumped Opera the moment they…
Just fired up the real opera (v12.16 b1860) I still have around and use occasionally to this day to test this. Sure enough the tiling feature is there. Right click the tab bar and go to the arrange menu.
Vivaldi (by the original Opera people) has tiling.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did China's Great Internet Firewall and eager to control how their population access the web somehow pass you? No, neither the US's Great Internet Surveillance, and long track record of working with, arming, helping, and installing in power dictators and friendly lackeys all around the world, from Latin America to Europe.
How is that relevant in any way to the topic at hand? It's just pure whataboutism.
>How is that relevant in any way to the topic at hand?
The topic at hand is "why trust your data to X".
If everybody trusts their data to Y, which has the same or even worse track record than X, then "how's Y worse than X which you already trust with your data" is a very relevant question to ask. It can make people consider both X and Y in perspective, and even consider moving their data to a safer Z alternative.
>whataboutism
I don't particularly care for knee-jerk accusations of thought crimes like "whataboutism".
"What about" is a very useful question. Only idiots speak of something without placing it on a larger context, and without considering the alternatives.
Invocation of whataboutism basically makes it a thought crime to put things in perspective. It's a tool used to constrain discussion, whereas "what about x" expands the scope of the discussion.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#124If I ignore your weird racist overtones. Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?
I bet you're one of those bash-the-fash scum.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#125I gave up using Opera for good once it was acquired by the Chinese.
Isn't the US govt more evil than the Chinese govt (for non-residents atleast)?
Re: Opera is Reborn
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whilst I don't know many people who would be in your situation I do think that an offline, indexed data store could be very useful. Bookmarks even to this day are dreadfully implemented on all of the major browsers.
Bookmarks are obsolete and badly implemented for decades now. Bookmarks are subject to link rot, having more than a hundred of them is a timesink nightmare to manage, bookmarks are useless when you are offline,... the list goes on and on and I have yet to see any browser even try to do something to address these.
What's wrong with them? Bookmarks work great.
They are not designed to be used as a personal knowledge base or a wiki.
Edit: One of my most used bookmarks is to a specific url on localhost. I'd say bookmarks are as useless as a browser gets while you're offline.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's fair to equate not trusting the Chinese government with racism.
But thinking US companies are different because they claim they're not working with the American surveillance state is mostly deluding one's self. If you ask them, Opera can also probably issue a statement saying that they don't let the Chinese surveillance state spy on them, if one says "I believe you" to one class of orgs, and "I don't believe you" to another class, and the difference is the race... Obviously in th…
>Obviously in the US there's more checks and balances, to make a company's statement more believable. Or that's what we believe anyway...
Without significant prove that this is not the case this handwaving way of comparing the US democratic state to China is just wrong. From Consumer protection to free and fair elections the US system is almost nothing alike the chinese system. Of course the US has massive issues (as do other Western democratic nations) but this handwavy "well they just don't tell you' stuff without actual good data behind is just destroys any credibility and is a huge problem for our democracies. Please stop doing it unless you provide exhaustive evidence.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#128I don't dare to use this since Opera got bought by that Chinese consortium of companies I'm not accustomed with. Not sure if I'm overly cautious? I'm thinking of especially Opera Link (which had a recent security breach to boot!). Wouldn't that leave out my passwords to China? And I do want to use some sort of syncing, I'd go crazy without anything there or some iffy third party addon. It's not even just about a trus…
Let's say, worst-case scenario and this consortium of companies is heavily linked to the Chinese govt. So what? Why would a foreign govt care about me, a citizen in a Western country? For what purpose (other than to maybe sell me stuff)?
It's for this reason I have considered using a Chinese/Russian email service rather than Gmail, at least there is a chance they won't cooperate with the local authorities if they ever want to clamp down on my ass for some reaosn.
Re: Opera is Reborn
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There is a difference between the engine I use to access a large variety of websites, and a single website/service.
I'm confused. Is "the engine you use to access a large variety of websites" Opera, or Google the search engine? If it's Opera, Chrome then is no better (and arguably Gmail holds the keys to your kingdom anyway). If it's Google, Chrome is no better, and Gmail holds the keys to your kingdom anyway. More generally, I don't see how China having your browsing history is worse than the US having your browsing history and y…
> Opera, or Google the search engine? If it's Opera, Chrome then is no better (and arguably Gmail holds the keys to your kingdom anyway)
True, if I used Google, or their products.
But, I use Mozilla, who are publicly auditable, and an email provider that is not located in the US.
The majority of visits to websites have no search engine interaction, but those that do, make use of DuckDuckGo and the like.
> More generally, I don't see how China having your browsing history is worse than the US having your browsing history and your authentication attempts and all your contacts and just everything, completely everything.
Bringing up the US here, isn't entirely relevant. We're speaking about China, who have demonstrated some interesting ethics around people who are non-Chinese over the past few decades. Yes, the US is of concern, but that doesn't mean that China isn't one.
Secondly, your browser doesn't just have your history. It also has your authentication attempts, because it makes them. It also controls what certificates you use, and can trivially be used to MITM every authentication you make, unless pinning or other not-well-adopted practices are used. Which can give them everything.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did China's Great Internet Firewall and eager to control how their population access the web somehow pass you? No, neither the US's Great Internet Surveillance, and long track record of working with, arming, helping, and installing in power dictators and friendly lackeys all around the world, from Latin America to Europe.
That's a bit of a false equivalence. Letting me do something while you watch is not the same as you stopping (and punishing) me from doing it right away. You can argue which one is worse from a moral perspective, but they are not the same. As for the shitty foreign policy - if I had to buy only stuff produced in "ethical" countries, I'd be living naked and eating only dried fish.
>That's a bit of a false equivalence. Letting me do something while you watch is not the same as you stopping (and punishing) me from doing it right away.
No, but as a citizen of a third country, you worry about countries with a history of messing with third countries (especially yours), not about countries that mess with their own citizenry.
Someone in Chile for example, would probably worry more about their data falling in the hands of Google, than about falling in the hands of China (since the latter never was in bed with Pinochet, even if it censors the internet from its own citizens).