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Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Sure. How do you get from there to a city without any innovation? How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation?

> How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation? Evolution? That's how agriculture and many of our earliest tools were created. I don't think there were many/any single steps that we would consider innovative.

I don't see how something like intentionally sharpening a stick would not be an innovation over occasionally finding one.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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> "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" For my entry to Improbable Ideas day.... why don't we bring children to work? After they're no longer infants, its' plausible for children to simply run around the office, sitting quietly in the same rooms as their parents, and perhaps doing odd-jobs. It'd require a more holistic attitude to education than is presently allowe…

If I'm working from home, even if my 4yo has every toy in the house at his disposal, after a while he will inevitably come into the home office and spin around on the spare chair saying "Why do you have to wooooork so much? I need you to help me buuuuuiiiild something. Why can't you help me? I can't find (a particular piece of Lego). Why is Mama at wooooork? Why are you working?"

The child is asking a valuable question.

Why all of this working? How can the work be explained, made interesting and relevant. Is there some way of involving the child that is educational rather than abusive? (Also, if a 5 year old can understand how to correctly use the UI for the application, why can't your client?)

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You might say I've observed this many times in my career. I think the best move career-wise is to be one of the people who makes the new thing. Those who clean up after them, bear the brunt of their design flaws and careless mistakes, will never be recognized, appreciated, or remunerated as well. At least in my experience. Ask yourself this: who is the most famous maintainer you can think of? (Not someone who devised…

This is the situation where the reason behind downvotes would be appreciated. He/she said the truth - especially for startup environment.

It is easy to agree.

It is difficult to tell if not-agreeing is due to a difference of opinion or the statement being off topic.

Thus while it may seem natural to cast to two directions the implicit difference between agreeing or not is actually more nuanced. The /reason/ is important in the latter case.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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> How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation? Evolution? That's how agriculture and many of our earliest tools were created. I don't think there were many/any single steps that we would consider innovative.

I don't see how something like intentionally sharpening a stick would not be an innovation over occasionally finding one.

It may not have been intentional, it could have been someone rubbing it against a rock out of boardom or trying to start a fire with it then realising it was pointy. In that case it was a discovery, not an innovation.

We may have had a very suboptimal way of doing it for centuries while the process evolved. I'm sure a lot of people here have stories of their pets confusing cause and effect.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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post #89

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If I'm working from home, even if my 4yo has every toy in the house at his disposal, after a while he will inevitably come into the home office and spin around on the spare chair saying "Why do you have to wooooork so much? I need you to help me buuuuuiiiild something. Why can't you help me? I can't find (a particular piece of Lego). Why is Mama at wooooork? Why are you working?"

The child is asking a valuable question. Why all of this working? How can the work be explained, made interesting and relevant. Is there some way of involving the child that is educational rather than abusive? (Also, if a 5 year old can understand how to correctly use the UI for the application, why can't your client?)

I think it'd be a valuable question if it were asked by someone sincerely interested in the answer, but at that age children are really just complaining.

Could you involve the child? Maybe, but training someone for work is non-trivial. When I'm just starting to train someone, our collective output is usually less than mine working alone, and that's for someone with the requisite skills. How much work could reasonably be assigned to children in a way which isn't just a waste of time? How much are they really going to benefit from that?

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You could say the same thing about any non-glamorous/lucrative position. "Garbagemen make the world go round. Without them, we would drown in our own filth" "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" "Auto mechanics make the world go round. Without them, we would have no way of getting places" Ultimately, all such arguments are inane and pointless because every single j…

I think you overestimate both the market saturation and lucrativeness of nannies.

They didn't say anything about how much nannies make.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Sure. How do you get from there to a city without any innovation? How do you even get to a sharp stick without innovation?

Great point!! Yes, exactly!!

So you agree? Innovators are responsible for depleted resources and global warming.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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post #89

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If I'm working from home, even if my 4yo has every toy in the house at his disposal, after a while he will inevitably come into the home office and spin around on the spare chair saying "Why do you have to wooooork so much? I need you to help me buuuuuiiiild something. Why can't you help me? I can't find (a particular piece of Lego). Why is Mama at wooooork? Why are you working?"

The child is asking a valuable question. Why all of this working? How can the work be explained, made interesting and relevant. Is there some way of involving the child that is educational rather than abusive? (Also, if a 5 year old can understand how to correctly use the UI for the application, why can't your client?)

That's like every employee with a child taking on a completely incompetent intern. It will just suck down the productivity of them massively without really gaining anything useful.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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> sitting quietly ...what does this mean? Is this something that children can do?

Of course. Both my wife and I have taken our kid to our respective offices and it was fine. She just sat there drawing and playing on her tablet. This was when she was 6-7 years old. Not all kids are brats.

Are you drugging your children? What are you doing to suck the energy out of them that they can sit in an office for hours without recess to run?

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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And what about devops? With OpenStack and et al, aren't gurus telling us that maintainance (adminitración) doesn't exist no more?

HAHAHAHAHA, it hurts. OpenStack. It needs maintenance. A lot. Maybe that's what you were after and I missed it, but OpenStack ONLY works if you have an in-house mechanic or 5. If you have less than an FTE to throw at ops, use ESX or qemu/KVM.
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