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Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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"If the President had picked me to predict which country [in postwar Europe] would recover first, I would say, 'Bring me the records of maintenance.' The nation with the best maintenance will recover first. Maintenance is something very, very specifically Western. They haven't got it in Russia. If I got in there in the warehouse, let's say, and I saw that the broom had a special nail, I would say, 'This is the nail o…

> Maintenance is something very, very specifically Western Not really. The need for maintenance occurs when a specific "Thing" has been around for long enough, and when the institutions, schools of thought that sustain that Thing persist for long enough. When there are radical, rapid political/economic/political changes, "maintenance" and the need for maintenance goes away. This article focusses on maintenance of ind…

Reading the quote, it seems the east/west divide is along first/third world rather than the traditional hellenestic divisions.

Nonetheless, it does diminish the quotation.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You could say the same thing about any non-glamorous/lucrative position. "Garbagemen make the world go round. Without them, we would drown in our own filth" "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" "Auto mechanics make the world go round. Without them, we would have no way of getting places" Ultimately, all such arguments are inane and pointless because every single j…

> "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home"

For my entry to Improbable Ideas day.... why don't we bring children to work? After they're no longer infants, its' plausible for children to simply run around the office, sitting quietly in the same rooms as their parents, and perhaps doing odd-jobs.

It'd require a more holistic attitude to education than is presently allowed, but it is certainly possible to implement.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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On a lighter note, Pump 6 from "Pump 6 and Other Stories" ( https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0071CX7V4/ ) is a fun take on a world that has become too good at making things that don't need maintenance.

In contrast, in David Brin's The Practice Effect objects improve with use instead of wearing out. Rich people hire others to "practice" their possessions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Practice_Effect

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Obviously the thesis is true. Maintenance is crucial while innovation rarely changes anything substantive... I think that is the reason that we hold innovators in high regard. People are very bad at it and it happens so infrequently. We rarely get the right person when we hand out credit so such idolization is usually meaningless, but I suppose in the long run that is not important. We have this irrational need to at…

> People are very bad at it and it happens so infrequently.

Is this really true? Plenty of innovations occur in parallel. Perhaps the people who desire to innovate dwarf the opportunities for innovation.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You could say the same thing about any non-glamorous/lucrative position. "Garbagemen make the world go round. Without them, we would drown in our own filth" "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" "Auto mechanics make the world go round. Without them, we would have no way of getting places" Ultimately, all such arguments are inane and pointless because every single j…

> "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" For my entry to Improbable Ideas day.... why don't we bring children to work? After they're no longer infants, its' plausible for children to simply run around the office, sitting quietly in the same rooms as their parents, and perhaps doing odd-jobs. It'd require a more holistic attitude to education than is presently allowe…

> sitting quietly

...what does this mean? Is this something that children can do?

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, if innovators didn't, somebody else would. As the frontier of knowledge expands, increasingly more low-hanging fruit appears on the horizon.

> Meh, if innovators didn't, somebody else would And then this somebody would be an innovator.

Making the label near meaningless.

Innovation is inevitable; so too are people claiming credit for it.

Honestly, we need a better label for "anti-innovator" (conservative is taken)—they have an oversized personal impact on the world.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You could say the same thing about any non-glamorous/lucrative position. "Garbagemen make the world go round. Without them, we would drown in our own filth" "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" "Auto mechanics make the world go round. Without them, we would have no way of getting places" Ultimately, all such arguments are inane and pointless because every single j…

> "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" For my entry to Improbable Ideas day.... why don't we bring children to work? After they're no longer infants, its' plausible for children to simply run around the office, sitting quietly in the same rooms as their parents, and perhaps doing odd-jobs. It'd require a more holistic attitude to education than is presently allowe…

Just a few reasons that come to mind:

- They'd be yet another distraction

- Who pays for the resources (space, nutrition, time)

- What if you don't work in an office

- Work environment might not be a great place for a kid

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You could say the same thing about any non-glamorous/lucrative position. "Garbagemen make the world go round. Without them, we would drown in our own filth" "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" "Auto mechanics make the world go round. Without them, we would have no way of getting places" Ultimately, all such arguments are inane and pointless because every single j…

> "Nannies make the world go round. Without them, half the workforce would be stuck at home" For my entry to Improbable Ideas day.... why don't we bring children to work? After they're no longer infants, its' plausible for children to simply run around the office, sitting quietly in the same rooms as their parents, and perhaps doing odd-jobs. It'd require a more holistic attitude to education than is presently allowe…

You've never tried to work around small children, have you? I work from home and let me tell you, if our nanny has a day off it's absolutely impossible for me to get anything done beyond a couple of emails if I'm lucky.

Re: Maintainers make the world go round: Innovation is an overrated ideology

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You might say I've observed this many times in my career. I think the best move career-wise is to be one of the people who makes the new thing. Those who clean up after them, bear the brunt of their design flaws and careless mistakes, will never be recognized, appreciated, or remunerated as well. At least in my experience. Ask yourself this: who is the most famous maintainer you can think of? (Not someone who devised…

Aren't software as a service and cloud computing examples of businesses that are primarily about maintenance? It seems to me that the best businesses are mostly about maintaining and profiting from some technology. Startups are advised to keep costs very low until they have "product-market fit", that is, until they have innovated enough to have made something that people want. After product-market fit has been achiev…

Most businesses don't require innovation at all. McDonald's, for example, didn't invent the hamburger, but it has grown large because of its ability to grow while maintaining high standards.

McDonalds and its competitors have been continually innovating on the details of how to provider hamburgers and chips to customers quickly and cheaply.

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