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Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by wglb »

thisduck wrote: post #4
petercooper wrote: post #3

He thinks that NoSQL is not a very good name for the new databases we’re seeing these days, so he proposed a new name: postmodern databases. Why postmodern? We've had similar points raised before, yet the term "NoSQL" continues to gain in popularity. There were similar concerns around "AJAX" and "Web 2.0" - both survived and are only just starting to be replaced. Community-coined terms like NoSQL, AJAX, and Web 2.0 s…

PomoDB looks awfully a lot like PornoDB, depending on the font you're using. Or depending on your mindset.

Or something about tomatoes.

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by wglb »

thisduck wrote: post #4
petercooper wrote: post #3

He thinks that NoSQL is not a very good name for the new databases we’re seeing these days, so he proposed a new name: postmodern databases. Why postmodern? We've had similar points raised before, yet the term "NoSQL" continues to gain in popularity. There were similar concerns around "AJAX" and "Web 2.0" - both survived and are only just starting to be replaced. Community-coined terms like NoSQL, AJAX, and Web 2.0 s…

PomoDB looks awfully a lot like PornoDB, depending on the font you're using. Or depending on your mindset.

Or something about tomatoes.

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by winxordie »

olefoo wrote: post #19
jamespitts wrote: post #10

I love the term. It has clarity, and also hints of self-mockery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

If I have to start reading Heidegger again just to understand what my database is doing I will be seriously freaked out. I am fairly sure that Jaques Derrida is an alias for __why_the_lucky_stiff.

They disappeared off the face of the earth about 5 years apart, but other than that, I can't tell too much of a difference. :)

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by s-phi-nl »

petercooper wrote: post #3

He thinks that NoSQL is not a very good name for the new databases we’re seeing these days, so he proposed a new name: postmodern databases. Why postmodern? We've had similar points raised before, yet the term "NoSQL" continues to gain in popularity. There were similar concerns around "AJAX" and "Web 2.0" - both survived and are only just starting to be replaced. Community-coined terms like NoSQL, AJAX, and Web 2.0 s…

Seems to be an example of semantic diffusion. http://martinfowler.com/bliki/SemanticDiffusion.html

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by pierrefar »

jrockway wrote: post #16
thisduck wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PomoDB looks awfully a lot like PornoDB, depending on the font you're using. Or depending on your mindset.

PornoDB is the database that captures snapshots of what happens on the Couch.

And let's not talk about "replication" in PornoDB.

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by mjw »

The thing that bugs me about the 'NoSQL' name is that it seems to lump together "relational vs key-value/object store" and "centralised vs distributed" as one and the same distinction. They're not.

Databases based on the relational model can be distributed, 'post-modern' as this guy puts it, too.

There's some interesting work by logician/comp-sci/AI folks in this area, applying epistemic (and other modal) logics to multi-agent knowledge base scenarios, but I think it got a bit forgotten about because of its association with AI (think: lots of robots going around gathering knowledge which may or may not be consistent with eachother) rather than more mundane things like distributed relational databases.

Here's a course I remember taking on the subject, which might interest anyone who thinks 'post-modern' databases or models of knowledge are interesting: http://web.comlab.ox.ac.uk/teaching/courses/multiagent/index...

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by artsrc »

amalcon wrote: post #6
petercooper wrote: post #3

He thinks that NoSQL is not a very good name for the new databases we’re seeing these days, so he proposed a new name: postmodern databases. Why postmodern? We've had similar points raised before, yet the term "NoSQL" continues to gain in popularity. There were similar concerns around "AJAX" and "Web 2.0" - both survived and are only just starting to be replaced. Community-coined terms like NoSQL, AJAX, and Web 2.0 s…

I still haven't figured out what Web 2.0 is supposed to be. The closest I've been able to figure is that it's either a pure buzzword, or synonymous with DHTML. If NoSQL goes the way of AJAX, that's fine. It's not a very good term, but at least it means something useful. If it goes the way of Web 2.0, no thanks -- I'd much prefer a different term, any different term, so long as it's actually descriptive.

Web 2.0 is the publishing and content that evolve with the web. For example the Google index gets page rank as a side effect of other pages on the web, rather than an assessment of the content itself.

http://oreilly.com/web2/archive/what-is-web-20.html

Hope this helps.

Re: Dr. Richard Hipp calls them "Postmodern Databases"

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Post by artsrc »

mjw wrote: post #26

The thing that bugs me about the 'NoSQL' name is that it seems to lump together "relational vs key-value/object store" and "centralised vs distributed" as one and the same distinction. They're not. Databases based on the relational model can be distributed, 'post-modern' as this guy puts it, too. There's some interesting work by logician/comp-sci/AI folks in this area, applying epistemic (and other modal) logics to m…

Are there any good distributed relational implementations?

Joins and referential integrity seems to add difficulty to the distribution problem.

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