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French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Again, you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the word "fascist". You're saying it's "fascist" to not tolerate Trump sexually assaulting women, just because he holds the opinion (and openly brags about it) that it's ok for him to do that because he's rich, therefore we are required to respect and tolerate his opinion. FTR, Trump was not bragging about "consensual sexual acts", he was bragging about non-consens…

Trump was quite explicit. He said "you can grab them by their pussy, they let you do anything". I don't see anything non-consensual here, he was quite explicit thay they consent.

Letting someone do something to you is NOT consenting. Are you saying that rape victims consent to sex when they let their rapists penetrate them?

Despite your quotation marks, you actually misquoted him, and left out a lot of extremely relevant context.

It must take a lot of bravery to stand up and carry the water for Trump's right to commit (and brag about) sexual assault by misquoting him out of context.

Read the entire literal quote in context:

"You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

Please explain how it is consensual if Trump doesn't "even wait", and he thinks he can do "anything"?

Would you tell your daughter it was OK for Trump to kiss her and grab her by the pussy and anything else he wanted to do, without waiting for her consent, because he was "a star"?

I wouldn't let you or any other Trump surrogate near my daughter, because you have a lot to learn about consent. You and Trump both need to read this before kissing and grabbing any more women by the pussy without waiting for consent:

Consent, explained for Donald Trump. Trump and his surrogates don’t seem to understand how sexual assault works.

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/19/13330140/trump-consent-explai...

The FBI now defines rape as "penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." When it comes to sexual assault, like the unwanted kissing or groping that Trump is accused of, different states have different legal definitions of "consent" — but consent is always relevant.

Legal definitions can vary, but the fundamental concept of consent is incredibly simple: Does the other person actually want you to do the things you are doing to her?

When Trump says women "let" him do "anything," he’s not describing consensual activity. He’s describing, at best, touching a woman without encountering physical resistance from her — or using his power and influence to subtly coerce her into not resisting. Coercion is not consent either, from a legal perspective or a moral one.

There are a lot of reasons victims might not physically resist or even verbally object to unwanted sexual touching. They might simply have no time to react (time that Trump said he doesn’t give them: "Just kiss. I don’t even wait"). They might be confused or in shock. They might be afraid of physical violence, emotional abuse, or other repercussions (like being fired) if they don’t comply.

That’s why brute physical force doesn’t determine whether an attack counts as sexual assault. Unwanted and nonconsensual touching does.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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I've seen borders working fine. For example in Israel. Hungary seems to be doing well also. I don't believe in this rhetoric that borders don't work. Back when I was a small boy, almost every month there was some bombing going on in Israel. These attacks have been greatly reduced by several measures, including the building of the wall.

Can you imagine a wall all around France ‽ As for the second par of your argument, I don't know the context but to me it seems more of a correlation than a causation.

Yeah, imagine France building a wall!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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11M people voted for Le Pen. This number is terrifyingly high.

Care to explain why this is "terrifying"?

It's not. A lot of young people voted for Le Pen. People are sick and tired of Marxists destroying their countries. It's obvious they just won some time but big changes are coming.

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Source?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-... was on the news a couple years ago. seems like it was her daddy. my bad.

Pretty big difference. Check your facts next time and stop the fearmongering.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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The Left – tolerant as ever when it comes to differing opinions.

What's wrong with not tolerating intolerance? Not to be confused with not tolerating not tolerating intolerance, which is a totally different thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance Philosopher Karl Popper defined the paradox in 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1. Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend u…

Then islamophobia is also fine, since I don't tolerate sick archaic beliefs.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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I think it has been proven Trump isn't actually anti-establishment, that was just a lie he used during the campaign.

Has it been proven? One of his advisers is on the record stating that the cabinet was chosen to "deconstruct the administrative state"[1], and Trump proceeded to appoint individuals (at least 2 by my reckoning) with beliefs contrary to the missions of the agencies they lead. 1. http://fortune.com/2017/02/25/bannon-trump-cabinet-cpac/

True, he appointed terrible people to the head of some important organizations. Dismantling them could be labeled "anti-establishment" but if they were a net win for humanity and kill/downsizing is a net win for business, that is clearly the establishment trope of pandering to big business.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Had France "fallen," EU would have been toast. Together with Germany they are the main pillars of EU. As bad as EU is, eventually they will get along just fine...or a least just as United States of America do.

> As bad as EU is, eventually they will get along just fine...or a least just as United Sates of America do. The difference is that in USA they speak the same language and even this way they are not as homogenous as they seem from outside. In Europe you have huge economical and cultural differences between certain states, bad blood for historical reasons between some nations and so on.

Virtually every educated person in Europe speaks English.

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Some people want their country to continue to be a shithole with rampant unchecked illegals and migrants thumbing their noses at the law. All for what? Some false utopian ideal of "but muh multiculturalism"

We've banned this account for using HN for ideological battle, which is an abuse of this site. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14286863 and marked it off-topic.

You've banned my account or the person I replied to?

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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> As bad as EU is, eventually they will get along just fine...or a least just as United Sates of America do. The difference is that in USA they speak the same language and even this way they are not as homogenous as they seem from outside. In Europe you have huge economical and cultural differences between certain states, bad blood for historical reasons between some nations and so on.

Virtually every educated person in Europe speaks English.

Maybe you meant every young, as in under 40, educated person in Europe speaks English.

Plenty of educated people in Eastern Europe speak/read French and Russian. Until the '90s French was the main foreign language taught in countries like Romania, Bulgaria and most countries under Soviet influence. English was introduced later, usually after the fall of the Soviet Union.

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