11M people voted for Le Pen. This number is terrifyingly high.
The protest vote. Doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with her on most things, they just hate the status quo.
French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
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Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…
How can one profit off of the collapse of the European Union?
Sell heavily EU biased financial instruments, I guess, if you can find someone willing to let you short them.
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#43Did she set up concentration camps or plans to?
She said that we should drop ebola on Romania as it would solve 2 problems:
- We would gain valuable research data
and
- Get rid of a bunch of undesirables
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#44Had France "fallen," EU would have been toast. Together with Germany they are the main pillars of EU. As bad as EU is, eventually they will get along just fine...or a least just as United States of America do.
> As bad as EU is, eventually they will get along just fine...or a least just as United Sates of America do.
The difference is that in USA they speak the same language and even this way they are not as homogenous as they seem from outside.
In Europe you have huge economical and cultural differences between certain states, bad blood for historical reasons between some nations and so on.
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…
I don't agree with the downvotes you are receiving, you make some good overall points (but also some bad ones). Nothing is dead until it is entirely dead, and the EU idea still runs strong in people. Things need to change, as Brexit and the recent problems faced by the union have shown. Now it's down to the time to reform. I don't think Macron is choosing the status quo though, hes as much as a political outsider as…
A former Rothschild banker - surely part of the establishment, but perhaps a different part
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#4611M people voted for Le Pen. This number is terrifyingly high.
For context, in the 2012 election, total votes in 2nd round was 34,861,353, out of a population of 66.81M (now). I couldn't find the total voting population easily.
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#4711M people voted for Le Pen. This number is terrifyingly high.
If Sarkozy didn't change the regime of Libya by bombing based on lies which are still under cover by main stream media, there might be no such an immigration wave caused by war and chaos. Today main stream media still try to avoid to associate their bias reports with the change in public opinion. It seems to me that main stream media is part of if not all of reasons caused such situation today.
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#48As a European this comes as a huge relief, especially given the poorly-timed email leak (with Russian names in the metadata). Here's to hoping that Europe can continue working together and begin to reform itself, and not tear itself apart like some of our American 'allies' on the (alt-)right would like. Lots of challenges ahead, but we wouldn't want it to be too easy now would we?
As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…
The mass printing of money by Draghi is what saved the Euroarea. Even if it was not its job, the ECB was the only one that did anything.
I agree with your feeling that the system is a mess and if there are not important changes it will explode.
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…
I don't agree with the downvotes you are receiving, you make some good overall points (but also some bad ones). Nothing is dead until it is entirely dead, and the EU idea still runs strong in people. Things need to change, as Brexit and the recent problems faced by the union have shown. Now it's down to the time to reform. I don't think Macron is choosing the status quo though, hes as much as a political outsider as…
What exactly "needs to change"?
When I see people complain about the EU it's usually about "the EU taking their sovereignty and imposing stuff on them".
So if "things are going to change" that means the EU would have to become less like the U.S. (a federal entity), and more like an aggregate of wildly different cultures and regulations (so more like the pre-EU Europe).
Is that really a good thing? And do things "need to change" that way? Or is more education necessary about why the EU needs to become more homogeneous and less heterogeneous?
I can say one thing - if EU states remain wildly different from each other in culture, language, and regulations, the EU will continue to remain a much less appealing market than the US. And it's not so much that the laws are "stricter" (like say the privacy ones), as it is about the laws being different in each country, and making it hard for a company to be compliant with all of them. And I think that means fewer options and fewer quality products for Europeans in the end (you'll be stuck with your locally-made products).
Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen
#50As a European this comes as a huge relief, especially given the poorly-timed email leak (with Russian names in the metadata). Here's to hoping that Europe can continue working together and begin to reform itself, and not tear itself apart like some of our American 'allies' on the (alt-)right would like. Lots of challenges ahead, but we wouldn't want it to be too easy now would we?
As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…
I agree with this, and would add that I do not think Macron is even an especially skilled representative of the status quo. I hope I'm wrong, but I predict his administration will be inept in a way that makes FN more popular, not less, much as Hollande's administration was.
I'm relieved, because there was one person running who was less suited to the office than Macron, and she didn't get elected, but that's a bit different than celebrating.