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On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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The one with the money.

More specifically, the reserve currency.

The culture with the reserve currency has lost its mojo and is confused about its values. It that continues there's no way it's going to win.

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It isn't a legal right, it is a de facto right. Generally speaking, only left leaning speakers are allowed on campuses. Generally speaking, only pro-immigration speech is allowed in polite company. This story, at least to me, also illustrates Chinese immigrants aren't interested in immigrating to other countries because they like the culture, way of life, etc and are choosing them as a new home to raise their familie…

>Generally speaking, only pro-immigration speech is allowed in polite company. Anti-immigration speech was very far outside of the Overton window until very recently - a development I find incredibly concerning.

Are you saying you're concerned that anti-immigration speech is now more acceptable? If so, why?

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Reminds me of that one time when some students at UCSD protested against the university hosting the Dalai Lama for a graduation speech. https://qz.com/908922/chinese-students-at-ucsd-are-evoking-d... I've always felt that in an increasingly globalized and connected world, we will start to see increased external influence in America from parties that are not the Democrats or the Republicans. China is arguably the worl…

The UCSD Dalai Lama incident is literally the subject of at least the first four paragraphs of this article.

The leadoff photo is literally outside the main library at UCSD.

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post #49

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The UCSD Dalai Lama incident is literally the subject of at least the first four paragraphs of this article.

The leadoff photo is literally outside the main library at UCSD.

The second photo is literally the chancellor of UCSD with the Dalai Lama.

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>Generally speaking, only pro-immigration speech is allowed in polite company. Anti-immigration speech was very far outside of the Overton window until very recently - a development I find incredibly concerning.

Are you saying you're concerned that anti-immigration speech is now more acceptable? If so, why?

Because most of it is wrong?

Most of the speech is around ideas that have been proven wrong over and over again. It's the same as when people come in and talk about a database that "solves" CAP.

Perhaps a better example is climate denial. Why do I have to listen to decades old debunked discussions over and over again?

EDIT: I also disagree with the premise. Loads of polite company will happily discuss immigration restriction and beyond. Though that's not your main point, I suppose.

It's not society's job to have all speech be acceptable. It's speakers' job to actually formulate ideas in a way that society accepts.

If you can't, the simplest explanation is that you're wrong, not that you're innovative.

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I haven't heard that one. I have heard that it is a proxy war against Russia or China, but I'm not sure that makes sense either. Russia in particular has tons of oil and doesn't need any from elsewhere. The only thing that makes a little sense is that it's an end in itself: we must have war to support the war industry and it's associated jobs and social programs. It's not just corporations with an interest in this. F…

> Russia in particular has tons of oil and doesn't need any from elsewhere. Russia seeks to deny it to potential geostrategic rivals. It's not a military advantage to have oil; it's an advantage to have it and deny it to your opponent. Also, Russia may have enough for internal needs and modest exports, but that's perhaps insufficient for what is antiicoated in the event of a major conventional war.

More prosaically, Russia wants it's oil to be worth more. The crash in oil prices due to the US shale/fracking revolution, and Saudi pricing war to try to bankrupt the frackers, has smashed Russian oil profits, and caused Putin heartburn. Destabilizing the middle east raises oil prices, enmeshes the US in a no-win conflict, and imposes massive costs on EU powers, leading to xenophobia, rise of far right, and possibly the breakup of the EU. Win, win, win.

And POTUS likes Putin? What a doofus.

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Are you saying you're concerned that anti-immigration speech is now more acceptable? If so, why?

Because most of it is wrong? Most of the speech is around ideas that have been proven wrong over and over again. It's the same as when people come in and talk about a database that "solves" CAP. Perhaps a better example is climate denial. Why do I have to listen to decades old debunked discussions over and over again? EDIT: I also disagree with the premise. Loads of polite company will happily discuss immigration res…

Immigration issues aren't climate change.

Why is it a moral imperative to import, abuse, and discard Mexican and Guatemalan workers to pick your fruit and butcher your meat? Why could you drive around to Home Depot in the morning and see construction guys and landscapers hiring mostly immigrant, often illegal day laborers for cash?

My grandparents were able to migrate here legally in the 1940s without a pimp-like corporate sponsor holding them hostage or living illegally and being a second class citizen. Flooding the market with cheap labor that works cheap because they have no agency of their own hurts everyone.

If you want immigration that's fine, but don't advocate for the status quo -- take on immigrants as equals. If we did that, we might find that impoverished classes of US citizens would have an opportunity to enter the workforce.

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how am I being racist? We have rich chinese immigrants from mainland literally buying their permanent residency and driving up the price of housing here. We have the chinese government pushing us around and our weak government isn't standing up for Canadians. I think it's a valid concern.

Hmmm, it's just a hunch I have given how you don't want any more Chinese immigration? And trade with them is automatically bad? - What's wrong with immigrants buying their residency? This happens all the time. At least you know they won't be a 'burden on the system' as some people would say. What the rich Chinese immigrants were doing was legal until some people didn't like seeing more Chinese people driving around t…

First - it is not racism if the gp would react disapprovingly to other nations also buying. If Russia and China places were changed, I have a feeling that he would complain about those pesky Russians buying in Vancouver.

Second - for a lot of people obtaining citizenship and residence permit in any other way than by being born or married into it is not acceptable. And outright buying it is disgusting.

Five percent in market with inflexible demand and severely constraint supply is huge.

And lets not start on the money origins which could be very shady. Do you want people with shady money in country? And why?

Disliking the side effects of immigration is not in anyway racist.

Re: On Campuses Far From China, Still Under Beijing’s Watchful Eye

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I'm going to take the contrarian position, just so people understand why this is so.

For the uninitiated, read up the history of Tibet. They haven't always been peaceful monks. Most notably, the Tibetans sacked the capital of the Tang dynasty — one of China's most brilliant in terms of cultural accomplishments — in that dynasty's twilight years.

For the Chinese, unity is a matter of culture and national security. Surely you Americans would understand this. And for this reason, control of the Tibetan buffer region is paramount because it would otherwise be the ideal place to coerce or invade China.

And for that reason, and because Westerners so choose to ignore their own hypocracies, I too support the denunciation of the Dalai Lama.

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It isn't a legal right, it is a de facto right. Generally speaking, only left leaning speakers are allowed on campuses. Generally speaking, only pro-immigration speech is allowed in polite company. This story, at least to me, also illustrates Chinese immigrants aren't interested in immigrating to other countries because they like the culture, way of life, etc and are choosing them as a new home to raise their familie…

> Generally speaking, only left leaning speakers are allowed on campuses. No. Just no. While American college campuses tend to skew left, they are not fortresses of liberalism where everyone duckspeaks about Bernie Sanders. They all have conservative professors, Young Republicans clubs, and so on. Hell, part of my large, public university tuition money went to pay a 50k speaking fee to Alberto Gonzales, ffs.

When the riots and shouting over top of conservative speakers so they can't be heard stops, then I will concede that I was wrong, until then, I consider you wrong.

Freedom of speech used to be inalienable as a matter of principle, now the majority of college students vehemently oppose it. That is a fact.

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