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Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by mayneack »

Many have already posted about how the phone is less important than email/browser which we're ok with being 3rd party.

I didn't really think there could be a difference between phone apps until I got project fi from Google. Their phone app comes with voicemail transcription and spam detection. Some of that is obviously from the service itself, but these features seem like things that I'd want to be able to acquire even if I had an AT&T Samsung (which is what I moved from and didn't have by default). Third party seems fine with me.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by s73ver »

mcherm wrote: post #8

I completely disagree with the title. The fact that "telephony" can be an app on the phone is a WONDERFUL thing. It means that the author of this article has a choice, as opposed to NOT having a choice.

They can't uninstall the app that comes, and it was forced on them through an update. That's a terrible thing, no matter how you try and spin it.

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Post by ralmeida »

nylonstrung wrote: post #49
wutbrodo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Manufacturers are under no obligation to provide you with a device to your particular specification I don't think wishing that a niche was filled constitutes assuming that manufacturers have any obligation.

A niche that appeals to almost no one and alienates the telcos that manufacturers partner with. So it looks like the free market is working in this case.

It totally is working, but merely 'wishing' a product exists does not, IMO, imply that:

a) they think manufacturers have any obligation (moral or legal) to do so

b) that it should exist

c) that more people would use it

Maybe OP was just 'thinking out loud'.

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Post by WorldMaker »

alasdair_ wrote: post #118
nkrisc wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever seen a two year old use a tablet? Don't be shocked if in ten to twelve years we have teenagers who can only use a touch interface and can't type or hate using a mouse.

It's more fun when they try to swipe the TV and can't understand why it doesn't work the same way.

People laughed when in a Windows 8 keynote a Microsoft exec said, "To a kid, a screen without touch is broken."

I think that was pretty spot on. Touch is a very primal way to interact with things.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by bobbyi_settv »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #29
bostand wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google in 2007: Do no evil. Google in 2017: Skynet didn't build itself people! We need more ML training data!

Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself. Clearly, though, once it becomes a minimum viable product, it will produce the next generations of itself. Or will it? If it's an AI intent on approximating human speech processing, why should it be any good at programming? See also https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-... .

> Skynet v. 0.1 didn't build itself.

v. 0.1 was based on the chip from the Terminator that had been sent back in time by Skynet. Humans otherwise were decades away from being able to design something like that.

I think it's reasonable to say that Skynet built itself.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by tomkarlo »

It's always been a "telephone app", on smart phones. And in many cases, it's already been somewhat "3rd party" because in reality it's from the ODM who made your phone or the SOC vendor, not the company that branded your phone. The author is only just becoming aware that this is "3P" because he happens to have a branded dialer added on his phone, versus a "white label" dialer that was already there.

I'm fairly certain Wileyfox didn't make the dialer that previously came with his phone, either. (They're a smaller OEM.) They probably just used the one provided by the ODM assembling the device for them.

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Post by ianseyler »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #99
ianseyler wrote: post #76

My iPhone is my pocket computer. It's on a tablet plan (data only - up to 1GB for $20 CAD) because voice and text is something I would hardly use. TextNow worked fine for me in past for phone calls and texting non-apple devices but I've since switched to Hushed as my go-to. I've never used the built in "Phone" app.

What do you do about phone interviews?

TextNow/Hushed provides me with a local number to use. Any "burner" phone app should work as well for that.

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by s73ver »

Fej wrote: post #104

> This leaves me in an unpleasant spot as I, where I can, avoid using google services and now need to find an alternative dialling application. AOSP dialer. Done. Don't want the truedialer app? Run CM, like it says in the post.

You mean the thing they were running, which updated to include the 3rd party dialer app against their wishes?

Re: Something is wrong when the ‘telephone app’ on your phone becomes 3rd party

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Post by tomkarlo »

krrrh wrote: post #126
ris wrote: post #84

So what makes you think Apple or Google aren't using your call information for advertising purposes in the default diallers?

Apple's record on privacy and business model give me pretty high confidence on this one. Google may have an incentive to add call info to the profile they keep on you, but surely you're not thinking that they are as big of a privacy risk as some random third-party that puts a dialer up on the play store. Edit: I couldn't get the article to load, so I'm going by the other comments to assume this was about scammy diale…

He's actually writing about the dialer that comes with the device OS (in this case an OTA, I believe, but still, it's the default / 1P dialer. It just happens to be a branded one rather than the "usual" white label dialer a smaller OEM might provide.
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