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Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by c22 »

EGreg wrote: post #66
StavrosK wrote: post #24

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Definitely, but you could say the same about many behaviours that aren't currently being age-restricted. Even drunk kids will just have a bad next morning, rather than go out and cause larger-scale problems like vandalism (although plenty do that sober).

Unless they can drink and drive. Self driving cars should probably fix this someday. All other cars should have mandatory ignition interlocks for breathalyzing. Someone should invent an bluetooth-connected breathalyzer which at least annoyingly beeps when you drive until you pass. It worked for seatbelts! Kids used to not wear then until the beeping made it more annoying to not do it. Annoyance is a big motivator.

As long as the breathalyzer is only required once to start the car. I drove a car with an interlock one time and it required you to blow into the thing randomly while driving. Failure to do this correctly fast enough caused the engine to die. I felt more impaired driving under that system than I would have after 2 beers.

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Post by ue_ »

rsync wrote: post #110
SamBam wrote: post #34

> in my case, hidden inside a box of red chopsticks. Though I reflexively tossed the utensils out with a glut of election mailers and Bed Bath & Beyond coupons, I soon realized they just might contain what I’d been waiting over two months for. This is the weirdest part of the story for me. Does anyone else get boxes of chopsticks in their mail so regularly that they instinctively treat it as junk mail?

"This is the weirdest part of the story for me. Does anyone else get boxes of chopsticks in their mail so regularly that they instinctively treat it as junk mail?" Actually, every two months or so we will receive an amazon package with some item that we never ordered and is not in our purchase queue, etc. Something we never even looked at. I used to think this was just a mistaken fulfillment, etc., but now I think it…

If you don't already know, you should be really careful about this. It's something which scammers do once they've got hold of your card; websites often require you to purchase something shipped to the billing address already on your card before changing the address.

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Post by StavrosK »

eropple wrote: post #107
StavrosK wrote: post #89

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I think it's too bad that you got downvoted for asking a reasonable question. I don't like the taste of alcohol at all either, and I never drink because of that, but yes, I do think that most people acquire the taste. My girlfriend, for example, both likes the taste of wine and the "happiness" she gets after two glasses.

For me it wasn't "acquiring a taste"--it was finding the taste that I like. I tried a lot of stuff and thought most of it was crap. Beer tastes foul to me (all of it, from Coors to IPAs and everything in between), as do most liquors (gin, vodka) and while Scotches are drinkable I find a lot of them are the IPAs of liquor ("duuuude, it's so smoky "/"duuuuude, it's so hoppy ")--but I happened to find that I really like…

That's entirely possible, but I don't think it's worth it enough to even look. I think being drunk is a waste of time, and there are health concerns in overdoing it, so I've never found enough motivation to look for an alcoholic drink I might enjoy.

I also actually think that it's the taste of the actual alcohol that I don't like, because I can't even have food if it has a little bit of liqueur in it or whatever. The taste sticks out greatly.

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Post by curun1r »

scurvy wrote: post #46
post_break wrote: post #4

This reminds me of back in the day when someone broke into the Ohio DMV and stole the machine that made the IDs and starting making exact "fake" IDs.

Before the days of prevalent computers and searchable databases, one would just take someone else's information to the DMV and get a real ID with their info.

You didn't even need to use someone else's information, you could just use your own with a different DoB.

Growing up, my "fake" ID was my passport. When I applied for it, they read my birth year wrong (I guess my 7 wasn't too legible and they thought it was a 2). I could barely pass for my own age, let alone 5 years older, but it worked most of the time.

All my friends ended up using the flaw that I'd inadvertently exposed when their fakes got confiscated. It was just cheaper and more reliable to use an actual government-issued ID.

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Post by eropple »

StavrosK wrote: post #193
eropple wrote: post #107

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For me it wasn't "acquiring a taste"--it was finding the taste that I like. I tried a lot of stuff and thought most of it was crap. Beer tastes foul to me (all of it, from Coors to IPAs and everything in between), as do most liquors (gin, vodka) and while Scotches are drinkable I find a lot of them are the IPAs of liquor ("duuuude, it's so smoky "/"duuuuude, it's so hoppy ")--but I happened to find that I really like…

That's entirely possible, but I don't think it's worth it enough to even look. I think being drunk is a waste of time, and there are health concerns in overdoing it, so I've never found enough motivation to look for an alcoholic drink I might enjoy. I also actually think that it's the taste of the actual alcohol that I don't like, because I can't even have food if it has a little bit of liqueur in it or whatever. The…

I can buy that. I totally know people for whom the taste totally sticks. I've found some success in cadging together something that (without being a sugar bomb) often can appeal, but it's a tough thing.

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Post by krzyk »

knz wrote: post #168
krzyk wrote: post #99

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Being in EU, we don't know the grilling at UK, Denmark or any other EU (Schengen participants to be specific), (it's more or less like going from one state to the other in USA), so the comparison doesn't help much to parent poster.

Schengen residents returning to the area from trips outside of it surely pass through border control and immigration screening? My most recent travel to Europe took me through Madrid and Copenhagen on the way to London - I recall seeing everyone (EU residents and non EU residents) waiting in line to clear immigration into the UK. On those same trips I also flew through France and Germany - those were all like domesti…

Yes, we just show our passports to the person at a booth or show it to a machine that I assume checks for the biometrics things and off we go.

It's no where near what I had to go over when I visited USA, each time after long exhausting flight - a long queue and at the end a guy that asks you stupid questions e.g. "do you have your flight back tickets with yourself?" (no, this is XXI century, I have it in an email), "how many times have you been here?" (where "here" might mean the city or the country, whichever you answer you will be wrong).

Oh, and don't say "hi" to them (trying to be polite, English is not my first language), I once did and was asked "Do we know each other?".

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Post by TACIXAT »

arprocter wrote: post #72

Interesting that they mention Boston - along with NC it's the only place where my green card has been refused as an acceptable form of ID. I have no idea why a federally issued photo ID with my name, DoB and photo on it apparently isn't enough to prove my age. As a Brit, it amuses me that there are apparently so many balding 20 year olds with grey beards in the US that I am suspicious. They also don't seem to like my…

Friends and I went to a store once in California. Their sticker on the counter - YOU MUST BE BORN BEFORE [DATE] - was out of date. The clerk couldn't do the math or accept that the sticker was out of date. That was a bizarre experience.

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Post by ameister14 »

ams6110 wrote: post #183
scardine wrote: post #177

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When I was 14 years old I engaged a vocational school maintained by the Brazilian national railroad company. There I learned a lot of metal working including welding and operating lathes. Spent 3 years there and ended up as a certified maintenance electrician for diesel-electric locomotives (never worked in railroads after that but several skills were useful both at professional and hobby situations). Now the laws ar…

7th grade shop class (ca. 1978) we were using drills, jigsaws, soldering irons, etc. We weren't allow to use the table saw but hand-held power tools were fine. I don't think they even have shop in middle schools anymore.

We were doing the same, if you add in forging metal, in 2000-2001, so I doubt it's changed much.

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Post by ameister14 »

delecti wrote: post #80
celticninja wrote: post #64

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This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

Drunk driving goes down quite notably with age > https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... "Among drivers with BAC levels of 0.08% or higher involved in fatal crashes in 2014, three out of every 10 were between 21 and 24 years of age (30%). The next two largest groups were ages 25 to 34 (29%) and 35 to 44 (24%)." It's not unreasonable to assume the 18-20 age group would be a similarly high perce…

It's much higher, actually. There's data on it from the 70's and 80's which is the biggest reason the laws were changed. If I remember correctly, yearly drunk driving fatalities quickly went down 60%.

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Post by moftz »

VLM wrote: post #134
SamBam wrote: post #28

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How will a fake id pass BarZapp? According to the article (I know nothing about this, so could be wrong) it looks up the id in a database and returns the name and dob of the owner. How could the made-up name be in the database? Or are they cloning existing IDs, and the buyer doesn't get a choice in the name?

The situation is crazier yet more logical than it appears. How do you prove someone once showed you a fake ID? Well, back in the $1 per shot polaroid / kodak instamatic era, you didn't. So the fake ID owner got away with it and bar owner got punished, which is the only reason bars cared about carefully checking fake IDs. Now with a machine the bar has a fighting chance in court, the police verbally claim the bar serv…

A lot of bars in my college town are starting to require two forms of ID before they let you in. One must be a driver's license but the other can be your student ID card or a credit card. I'm sure it would be easy to fake our student ID cards but for the most part, this rule works well. Some bars are known for letting in minors. Their bouncers are inexperienced or just don't care. Every now and then those bars get a fine and they put someone experienced out front and give them a UV flashlight. That guy will collect enough fake IDs until the bar isn't making enough money so they will bring the first bouncers out and rake in more money from the underaged patrons until they get another fine.

I've seen people get let in using the worst fake IDs I've ever seen and I've seen people rejected using real IDs. It all depends on the bouncer's experience and how much the bar owner cares about not letting in underaged people.

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