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Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by mootothemax » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:01 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

>The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose.

In the late 90s, when I was 16-17 and doing my A levels in the South East, plenty of people had fake "Prove It" cards and the like.

If you wanted to grab a drink at anything but the most desperate of pubs or go out in e.g. Brighton, you didn't have a hope unless you could prove your age.

Funnily enough, I knew plenty of 18 and 19 year olds that also used fake IDs, just because getting a more legitimate form of ID was a bigger pain than they could be bothered with - and taking your passport out seemed a bit over the top.

I dunno, maybe I just hung out with the wrong crowd?

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by arprocter » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:01 PM UTC

Interesting that they mention Boston - along with NC it's the only place where my green card has been refused as an acceptable form of ID. I have no idea why a federally issued photo ID with my name, DoB and photo on it apparently isn't enough to prove my age.

As a Brit, it amuses me that there are apparently so many balding 20 year olds with grey beards in the US that I am suspicious.

They also don't seem to like my SO's GA driver's license in Boston.

Edit - I should add that the second time we went back to the place which wouldn't take my green card as ID they didn't ID us at all

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by BEEdwards » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:02 PM UTC

The_Hoff wrote: post #35

> The options for payment were Bitcoin and Western Union; since I’m neither a Russian hacker nor a Dark Web impresario, I opted for the latter. This is so frustrating for me to read. Western Union has its own set of problems and its users throw money away on fees, but why is cryptocurrency being thought of as a only being used by Russian Hackers and Dark Web impresarios?

Because they accept it as currency when your local convenience store doesn't.

Who you can give the money too is generally a good indication of what it's used for and for better or worse bitcoin is for hording and illicit purchases.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by LordKano » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:09 PM UTC

0xfeba wrote: post #18

post_break wrote: post #9

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Same thing with weapons. Go shoot automatic rifles with the government, oh you want to buy hand gun ammunition? Sorry you can't, have to be 21.

Depends on the state, but Federal law does require you to be 21 or older to purchase a handgun. Ammunition can be sold without any background checks or ID checks in some states.

When I was 18, I bought a 9mm Carbine so for me it was rifle ammunition.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by arprocter » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:09 PM UTC

mootothemax wrote: post #71

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

>The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. In the late 90s, when I was 16-17 and doing my A levels in the South East, plenty of people had fake "Prove It" cards and the like. If you wanted to grab a drink at a…

We would go drinking in pubs by ourselves at 14, but that was a small northern town without a university.

We knew the places which wouldn't ask, and it helped if you're tall

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by ygra » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:09 PM UTC

swimfar wrote: post #17

realusername wrote: post #8

Is that seriously how the driving license looks like in the US? It looks like a student card, I understand why it's easy to duplicate now.

Compared to what? I've seen much simpler driver's licenses from other countries. Up until recently (2013 maybe) the French driver's license was literally a piece of pink paper with a picture glued to it. http://flawlessfakeids.com/wp-content/uploads/French-Fake-Dr...

France probably has a proper ID card and doesn't have to use the driver's license as ID. So the driver's license is just that and since whenever you're stopped by police while driving they can verify you actually having one duplication isn't a real risk.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by gm-conspiracy » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:12 PM UTC

arprocter wrote: post #72

Interesting that they mention Boston - along with NC it's the only place where my green card has been refused as an acceptable form of ID. I have no idea why a federally issued photo ID with my name, DoB and photo on it apparently isn't enough to prove my age. As a Brit, it amuses me that there are apparently so many balding 20 year olds with grey beards in the US that I am suspicious. They also don't seem to like my…

There's a reason Ben Franklin moved to Philly.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by billmalarky » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:13 PM UTC

ue_ wrote: post #53

StavrosK wrote: post #14

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In Greece, we don't check IDs for alcohol use (in practice. I think we're supposed to be doing it, nowadays). There are also no on-premises laws for alcohol. I think that's mostly because the culture is different, as people don't generally drink to get drunk like in other countries. You won't see the round-after-round drinking that you see in the UK or US, people will generally buy one or two drinks, and will rarely…

Pardon my ignorance, but why drink if not to get 'drunk'? Alcohol doesn't taste very nice, so the only advantage I get out of it is that I feel more of a 'buzz'. Is it common just to drink as if it were something that tastes nice, like juice?

I stopped drinking 2 years ago. I never crave the high from alcohol anymore, but every once in a while I get a strong craving for a nice tall glass of beer.

Beer takes a bit to develop a taste for, but it's pretty much sugar water and it goes so perfectly with so many dishes.

I'm tempted to pick up a non-alcoholic beer like O'Douls, but I don't want to start drinking again and I figure drinking non-alcoholic drinks is a step in that direction for me (I'm not a recovering alcoholic, I quit because it was getting in the way of my health/fitness goals).

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by paulddraper » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:13 PM UTC

graton wrote: post #41

paulddraper wrote: post #27

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Your bizarreness may be misplaced. American 18-year-olds can smoke and gamble. I don't see how 18 prevents fake ids from 16 and 17 year olds though.

The smoking age in Arizona, California, Kansas, New York City, and a lot of cities and counties have 21 as the smoking age. And 21 is the gambling age in many states in the US.

The majority of the U.S. is limited to 18. There are exceptions, by state, county, and even establishments as you point out.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by delecti » Wed, May 03, 2017, 3:14 PM UTC

celticninja wrote: post #64

delecti wrote: post #58

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I think a big part of the problem is that America is very large and very car focused. If you can reasonably walk to where you're drinking (or more importantly, walk home from there), then you're less likely to drive drunk. Many bars in America essentially require driving to and from.

This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

Drunk driving goes down quite notably with age

> https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... "Among drivers with BAC levels of 0.08% or higher involved in fatal crashes in 2014, three out of every 10 were between 21 and 24 years of age (30%). The next two largest groups were ages 25 to 34 (29%) and 35 to 44 (24%)."

It's not unreasonable to assume the 18-20 age group would be a similarly high percent as the 21-24 currently is, if it were legal for them to be drinking.