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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by WorldMaker »

thebspatrol wrote: post #482
WorldMaker wrote: post #72

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It's not a "sexy" stack to talk about, but I don't think it is going anywhere. There are quite a few Windows Store applications built on it, including several first party applications from Microsoft themselves. It's a quiet workhorse stack that does the job and gets out of the way. So quiet I don't think people often realize when an app is built on it.

>isn't sexy But why not? The singular issue with electron is how fucking huge the simplest of apps have to be. I see desktop HTML/JS as a RUNTIME being a very near-future standard. I'm sure electron has thought about it. It couldn't possibly be any bigger of a hassle than the java runtime.

For what it is worth, I agree. The web browser is a required component of operating systems these days and first class/"native" support for web applications is a standard that we should celebrate and encourage.

I don't think it is "sexy" to most developers right now because there are still a lot of developers that still cling to ancient "native" control toolkits, ancient ideas that web platform is already the main UI platform for the majority of user these days, and for whatever reasons dislike HTML and JS for application development. You see a lot of the complaints here on HN every time Electron or Cordova are brought up.

I'm sure Microsoft knows they don't get a lot of enthusiasm from a lot of developers for the native Windows 10 web stack, so I'm not surprised they underplay it at conferences. Those of us that do care know we can follow the Edge team blogs and know that UWP API enhancements benefit all three main stacks.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by tn135 »

natch wrote: post #564
tn135 wrote: post #522

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And why is that a problem ? Does it violate Google's policies in any way ?

From the TOS at the time: "5.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity that interferes with or disrupts the Services (or the servers and networks which are connected to the Services)."

Looks pretty broad for me. I can't send email to friends inviting them to an even and asking them to invite their friends ?

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by tn135 »

prawn wrote: post #561
tn135 wrote: post #522

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And why is that a problem ? Does it violate Google's policies in any way ?

It's a problem because Google banned the account. Doesn't matter if it's unclear about policy violation given they're the ones making the decision and providing limited opportunities for recourse.

Yeah I understood that part. I was only wondering if there is an explicit policy about sending chain emails.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by Tanegashima »

mtgx wrote: post #337
dangrossman wrote: post #107

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Up to a 7th-generation Core i7 with Iris Plus Graphics 640. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-lapt...

I wonder if the core i5 is actually a Core i5 U-edition or an Y-edition. Didn't Intel say they would start calling Core M3 and Core M5 Core i3 and Core i5? (pre-Kaby Lake).

15W TDP

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by natch »

tn135 wrote: post #582
natch wrote: post #564

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From the TOS at the time: "5.4 You agree that you will not engage in any activity that interferes with or disrupts the Services (or the servers and networks which are connected to the Services)."

Looks pretty broad for me. I can't send email to friends inviting them to an even and asking them to invite their friends ?

You're asking rhetorical questions. Instead, just think it through and you'll get it. Chain letters can explode, if written in a certain way.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by mundo »

komali2 wrote: post #579
Mtinie wrote: post #420

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No, I'm not worried about targeted ads, per say. I'm more worried about the future misuse of all the accumulated data from their access and version control logs for cloud-based documents, internet browsing behavior, multi-player gaming sessions, personal emails, and all of the other forms of trackable interactions that my kids (and the rest of us) generate with on a daily basis. It doesn't keep me up at nights -- but…

Can you define misuse better? I'm not asking to be cruel, I just genuinely don't understand why someone would find the kind of personal information collection that is happening already, to be upsetting. I.e. I see targeted ads regularly, so I know that I am being tracked by google et al, but this does not upset me. Can you help me understand why this should upset me?

It's 2037. A substantial chunk of 20-year-old Google user data got into the wild via (sale / theft / government regulation / who knows? A lot can happen in two decades).

Some enterprising startup fed that data into a simple ML algorithm and correlated it against other publicly available data. Turns out, your search history as a kid partially predicts adult outcomes like salary, grades in college, chance of bankruptcy, chance of arrest, etc. That startup sells this info to Experian, who adjusts their credit scores accordingly.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by vaishaksuresh »

soperj wrote: post #518
vaishaksuresh wrote: post #320

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This is purely personal, but I don't buy laptop solely for its form-factor. What sells the MBP to me is the operating system and frankly that is what keeps me from buying a windows laptop too. In the end I'm ok with paying a premium for a laptop that just works 90% of the time. MBP usually last very long (I still use a early 2011 machine), so the cost is amortized.

I have a toshiba laptop from 2001 that still boots up and runs fine, abet slowly. I have 2 from 2008 w/ no problems at all. My 2012 230x thinkpad has better specs then what's being currently released (2 256gb ssds, and 16gb of ram - really easy to install aftermarket ram & ssds) and is my main laptop, and will be for the foreseeable future. I don't see how a 2011 machine is all that remarkable.

If we're giving anecdotal evidence, I have about 4 Dell notebooks from 2011 to 2016, all of them are either broken or cannot function normally. So should i go ahead and generalize that all the machines in this period are bad?

I said the price works for me because a 6 year old laptop still chugs along comfortably so the price gets amortized. I was not holding a measuring contest.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by russellbeattie »

Dibes wrote: post #529
Top19 wrote: post #527

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Found the Google employee. For many reasons, Hacker News is FILLED TO THE BRIM with Google employees. I know this because anytime an article comes on here about Google Cloud that thread is immediately taken over by employees (many of whom to their credit identity as such) talking about how much better GCP is than AWS. Now GCP today is kind of cool, still somewhat away from AWS but they certainly could catch up for su…

Just to let you know, that person is not and never was a Google employee according to their resume

Heh, thanks for checking me out. :-) So weird that someone uses their real name on the internet, right?

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by bitmapbrother »

krzyk wrote: post #295
bitmapbrother wrote: post #268

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Do you really think you can't use a Chromebook in offline mode?

I don't know - gp wrote that the data is "100% cloud based" so I assumed they don't.

You can use many ChromeOS apps in offline mode. And if your ChromeOS laptop supports Android apps then all of the apps are available whether offline or online.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Post by rayiner »

komali2 wrote: post #580
rayiner wrote: post #446

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It should be illegal to advertise to kids.

Why?

Advertising is often coercive, designed to manipulate people into buying things they don't need/overpaying for things. E.g. brand advertising is why people pay $150 for a $10-pair of jeans made in Vietnam. Children's brains aren't fully developed, which makes them uniquely susceptible to manipulation via advertising. At the same time, they have no conceivable need to learn about different products, because almost none are direct participants in the economy.

It's difficult to categorically ban advertising in a free society, but at least in the U.S. speech that does nothing more than propose a commercial transaction is subject to lower First Amendment protections, and the combination of harmful effects on children and the lack of any benefit probably get you over the First Amendment hump in that specific scenario.

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