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Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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What problem does this attempt to solve? Their slack example doesn't seem particularly pressing.

Useful new technologies don't always solve obvious problems. Sometimes a more fruitful way of thinking about them is to ask: what might this help enable? And especially considering this not just in terms of an isolated individual using it, but in terms of if it had broad uptake where lots of people were using it. Think of things like the introduction of cars, or the internet. Their actual effect on most people weren'…

I really like this point. It's easy to say that "Slack solves the problem of centralized team communication" or "eBay and Etsy help everyday people collect money off their trinkets, crafts, or useless old clothes". But bigger inventions don't solve a small, narrowly-defined problem: they totally change the game. You can't sum up the impact of the automobile, antiseptic or the internet in a sentence, because these inventions caused a cascade of other inventions that solve other problems.

Cars weren't released out of the blue by a well-funded startup as a half-baked MVP, they were built off of advances in industrial metallurgy, the invention of the engine, engineering used in trains and boats. Similarly, the internet didn't just happen - people first figured out electrical engineering, circuit boards, GUI's, COBOL and C++ and a myriad of other languages that made it possible to invent the internet.

I'm not saying that this online bank thingie is on that level yet. But for me, these kind of inventions are indicative of the death of institutional finance. The first step in destroying global finance as an institution is to whittle away at where the banks can make profit. Apps like Robin Hood have already helped to decentralize knowledge and participation in the stock market. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin have shown at least a proof of concept that you don't need central banks to have currency. Money transfer apps like TransferWise eliminate currency conversion profiteering. Now what happens when you make a front-end that can wire all of these ideas together? A cashless society? Maybe.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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What problem does this attempt to solve? Their slack example doesn't seem particularly pressing.

I would use it to do what my bank is apparently too stupid to do - email notifications of anomalous/suspicious activity and monthly spending summaries.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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People asking about what problem this solves haven't been to South Africa or Zimbabwe which in some ways are ahead of the West in creating cashless societies. The biggest bank is a phone operator and people can send each other money over the phone and from what I understand this is very common. Also interestingly most phones aren't smart phones. It's mostly analog. Banks have a serious incentive to create and encoura…

One of the issue with cashless is that banks/financial service provided making money of of the money i.e. $100 making more than $100 with out adding any real value in fees (100 time circulation). I know time is money in most western countries but my place we do one crop a year and sit idle for 9 months. So time is not a money and we would rather give cash to a person get that much worth of a product.

E.g. My sons school charges 2% extra if i use credit card, Rs 20 if i use netbank and does not accept cash. So on a Saturday i am happy pay in cash when i have nothing else to do.

Unless government makes the transfer without fee (now they can print less money and that cost can be used for this infra of transfer), why is cashless better in the scenario where that saved time is not used for anything value generating?

Genuinely looking for answers to this that makes sense rather than saying time is money.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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Founder here :) Feel free to ask me any questions

Hey - I previously worked on a prepaid debit platform that worked slightly farther from the metal here (post-processor).

I'm interested in two pieces of data we couldn't get there, but that I had really high hopes for.

1) Dynamic merchant-type filtering before auth. For example, if tom has spent 50$ on food this month, all merchants that identify as "food" will fail auth on further transaction attempts. I'm not sure if these are still called MCCs outside of the US, or "merchant codes".

2) Level 3/line item receipt data. For example, instead of showing I spent 5.00 at QuikEMart, it shows 2.50 on soda, 2.00 candy bar, 0.50 tax.

Will your platform offer that level of control/visibility?

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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Any plans to back this with a blockchain of any kind?

There is essentially no point to using a blockchain if the only thing you're putting on it is an accounting system you have absolute control over anyway. I think tech people vulnerable to buzzwordism have an instinctive response to respond to any mention of money with "blockchain!", even though it's really only useful in this context for decentralized payment systems (i.e. not for banks). The only place banks might w…

"Absolute control" would imply I can import javascript modules and interface with blockchains directly, so you're right that it wouldn't be Root's job to utilize the blockchain if I have this ability. There is nothing to indicate this is the case, however.

edit: if it is the case, I would be excited to see some docs

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

#97
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This was my thought too hah! "Opps...wrong command there goes one paycheck"

Ha! Yeah, we've built in some things to prevent that type of user error :)

I figured as such :) looks neat - although I think businesses would benefit more than a normal consumer would by making use of it.

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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My BofA account has a whole spending habits section with graphics and charts and a ton of features, for free, which comes with my debit account. Why would I want to do all this myself? The only real answer is privacy, but I would just use BTC instead of USD if I wanted privacy anyway, and BTC is already programmable.

I haven't used BofA for a while, but in general the problems I have with these features are 1) inaccurate classification and no way to fix it 2) exported data does not include all of this, so if I move banks or want to do analysis I'm sol ymmv, of course

Yeah definitely. The classifications of transactions is generally poor. Even with Simple, which is very generous in allowing you to (re)assign arbitrary tags on the fly and provide nice data metrics, I'd still like to generate different graphs than they choose to present.

The ability to aggregate the data from all my accounts would be amazing...

Re: Root – Programmable bank account for software developers

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We're currently playing in the fiat currency space, but we are keeping an eye out for ways to merge the two

One beta user built a script that sells bitcoin in real-time as he swipes his card and tops up his fiat account, effectively making his card "spend bitcoin" :)

that's so cool. have they open sourced this yet?
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