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Introducing Surface Laptop

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Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Though it's unlikely they'll want to maintain another distribution for Windows while most Windows users are still on Windows 7.

I'm not sure how easily win32 apps can be ported to the store, might be worth the trouble.

Note that Google Chrome was previously available with a "Metro app version" during Win 8 but they retired it.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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From the FAQ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4020089/windows-10-... ) : > Are there any defaults that I cannot change on my Windows 10 S PC? > Yes, Microsoft Edge is the default web browser on Microsoft 10 S. You are able to download another browser that might be available from the Windows Store, but Microsoft Edge will remain the default if, for example, you open an .htm file. Additionally, the default se…

I'd imagine that Microsoft looked into that closely. I actually don't have a problem with it - you can install firefox through the store easily enough, and opening local html files is a niche case. It'll be mildly tedious if coding docs appear in Edge, but I'm probably not coding on Windows 10 S.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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They're now demoing the Surface Laptop. Thinner than a MacBook Air. Faster than a MacBook Pro. Longer battery life than either. The downside? "Windows 10 S", which only runs apps from the Windows Store. The upside over Windows RT from the Windows 8 era? You can port Win32 apps to the Store today, don't think you could back then. Edit: You can upgrade Windows 10 S to ordinary Windows 10 Pro for $50. Laptops that run W…

> Faster than a MacBook Pro

What's their basis for that? I'd have thought at the very best it'd be about the same speed as a 13" (assuming you're not doing anything that uses much RAM; the 4GB would really cripple it there). I'll be interested to see what CPU it has, exactly, but I'd be surprised if it has the HD540/640 graphics.

EDIT: Specs here: https://i.imgur.com/Kc1fQ52.png

The expensive ones use an Iris 640, so are the Kaby Lake incarnation of the chips used in the non-TB 13" Macbook Pros (the touchbar ones use the higher wattage chips with Iris 545). The cheaper ones use HD 620. So, the more expensive models might be comparable to the non-touchbar Macbook Pro; it's unlikely that the cheaper ones will be.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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That's remarkable. How did they get the USB-A port in there? The MacBook Pro body is thinner than the type A receptacle. Edit: Looking at this picture https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/surfa... and there's even substantial space around the type A receptacle. I honestly don't understand how it can be thinner than the MBP. I look forwards to seeing one in person.

Apple has a bottom bulge on their notebooks whereas Microsoft doesn't: http://www.pcmag.com/media/images/427048-apple-macbook-air-1...

Thanks, I think that explains it. That bulge provides space for ventilation and makes it easier to lift.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Dead on Arrival for our company. We only buy Thunderbolt 3 equipped notebooks for compatibility with our Dockingstation-Flexdesk setups. I would have bought them in a heartbeat over Dell XPS 13s for our Customer Support guys. It makes me really sad because this points to longer clinging to the Surface Pro 3 Connector, so the next Surface Pro & Surface Book are likely not to ditch it in favor of TB3. I'm still on my S…

> Dead on Arrival for our company.

It's not for professionals, it's for students.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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Since this is a Surface, is the screen touchable? It's a pretty machine, but the brand seems slightly fragmented. What does "surface" stand for at this stage? I wonder if we'll see iPad Laptops someday, too?

They mentioned in the announcement that it supports the Pen. So yes it's touch.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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They're now demoing the Surface Laptop. Thinner than a MacBook Air. Faster than a MacBook Pro. Longer battery life than either. The downside? "Windows 10 S", which only runs apps from the Windows Store. The upside over Windows RT from the Windows 8 era? You can port Win32 apps to the Store today, don't think you could back then. Edit: You can upgrade Windows 10 S to ordinary Windows 10 Pro for $50. Laptops that run W…

> Faster than a MacBook Pro What's their basis for that? I'd have thought at the very best it'd be about the same speed as a 13" (assuming you're not doing anything that uses much RAM; the 4GB would really cripple it there). I'll be interested to see what CPU it has, exactly, but I'd be surprised if it has the HD540/640 graphics. EDIT: Specs here: https://i.imgur.com/Kc1fQ52.png The expensive ones use an Iris 640, so…

Up to a 7th-generation Core i7 with Iris Plus Graphics 640.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-lapt...

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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> Given the target market (schools) I think not being able to install downloaded software is only a good thing. Except that giving kids unfettered access to their computers allows them to flourish. See: BBC Micro, Raspberry Pi, Apple ][, the list goes on.

Except that having each kid able to brick their computer leads to significant problems for IT in debugging everyone's computer. As well as letting them move away from educational material extremely easily. I agree that great things can happen when kids can truly explore their computer and take away the 'magic', but just handing all kids a laptop and having them go wild is not the way to do it. I don't what is, to be…

Handing them a laptop and having them go wild is exactly the way to do it.

If they brick it, they have to work out how to fix it.

As one of the kids who was lucky enough to get a BBC Micro, I had zero support. No-one else in my family even knew how to turn it on. No teacher at my school could support me because none of them knew how it worked either. If I broke it, I had to fix it. And no Stack Overflow, so no code to copy-paste. I had to go back to first principles every time and work out what went wrong and how I could make it go right.

Best education you can give anyone.

Re: Introducing Surface Laptop

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It reminds me of the MacBook 12". Apple is again late to update it - was "due" this April.

They're probably working on a design refresh. Spec bumps alone aren't enough anymore to get people to buy new computers.
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