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Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by bogositosius »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #35
bogositosius wrote: post #29

This really just boils down to a local version of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_subpoena Administrative subpoena. This is common practice all over the country. Funny that they quote a former NYC prosecutor who seemingly forgot that the NYC district attorney offices issue self-generated pieces of paper saying "subpoena" on them, too. Must have slipped his mind. The only problematic part of this…

This is almost certainly not true, it's not just a lie its 'fraud' at best.

You can say it's not true all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that administrative subpoenas exist as a concept and are used regularly by governmental agencies.

Your inability to distinguish between a document signed by a judge and one that is not doesn't automatically imply that it is fraudulent.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by Doxin »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #26
Doxin wrote: post #13

> The purpose and function of calling the police is generally to bring lawful force to bear against someone who has committed a crime. Only in america. > Their job is not to resolve domestic disputes Only in america. > Any time you call the cops on somebody, it should be done with the expectation that they may be arrested and taken to jail Only in america. Just because the American police force is awful and only real…

"Only in America" is hyperbole. I'd buy "more frequently" but, realistically, the advice is still sound in any part of the world: don't call the cops if you don't want someone to get arrested. For those down voting, here are the stats from Australia, courtesy Wikipedia: "Data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) shows that during the 2009/10 year police took action against 375,259 people, up by 4.8 percent…

> Only in America" is hyperbole.

Yes. Yes it is.

> The advice is still sound in any part of the world: don't call the cops if you don't want someone to get arrested.

The advice very much isn't sound in any part of the world, and I suggest you go live in a place with a friendly police force for a while.

Your statistics prove nothing. You're taking a random country and asserting that the statistics for that country are true everywhere. Furthermore without arrest statistics it's a rather hollow argument.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by rhino369 »

ptero wrote: post #15

I wonder if the offending DA can have his pants sued off his ass in a civil case by one of the victims. This might be the only option unless this gets enough national attention to get the DA fired.

Another avenue is a complaint to the state bar. This is an unethical practice.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by infosample »

fritzw wrote: post #40
Doxin wrote: post #13

> The purpose and function of calling the police is generally to bring lawful force to bear against someone who has committed a crime. Only in america. > Their job is not to resolve domestic disputes Only in america. > Any time you call the cops on somebody, it should be done with the expectation that they may be arrested and taken to jail Only in america. Just because the American police force is awful and only real…

I absolutely agree with everything you said with one exception. > "Protect and Serve" Everyone thinks that the police's job is their motto. It was some strategic messaging, but they came up with that. Police weren't created to protect and serve. Going back to the foundations of the country's policing strategy, police exist to maintain order. That's why they arrest protesters, shoot unarmed guys who are noncompliant,…

Interesting you chose those specific examples. Police killing black men in those instances did the opposite of what you claim. They turned orderly to disorderly.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by mpweiher »

Did I mention that the US has become a police state?

- 3 felonies a day (so 100% prosecutorial discretion)

- NSA etc. mean they can access those 3 felonies if they want to, quite a bit into the past

- 95% plea bargain rate (more of same)

- prosecutors behave criminally

Yay!

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by zimzam »

cmdrfred wrote: post #37
minikites wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In my mind, actual thefts (that deprive people of property and rights) are a substantially higher priority than resolving social disputes. You do know that "domestic dispute" isn't just an argument and is usually a euphemism for assault/battery, right?

In that case, police arrive on the scene where someone is or was being assaulted and arresting the attacker isn't a desirable outcome?

That is generally sub-optimal. Domestic violence is rarely a one-time event, rather it is a pattern of the relationship (and often the violence is reciprocal, so arresting just one of the two doesn't make sense).

Some form of social service intervention for the whole family would be far better than arresting one person.

After all, somebody abusing someone else likely doesn't handle stress and anger appropriately: nobody's life gets easier and more manageable after being arrested.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by infosample »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #28

Meh. My bestie has worked the county counsel office in two different counties. He told me it is standard practice for court clerks to hand out stacks of blank, pre-signed subpoenaes to any attorney, government or private practice. Of course the caveat is if you abuse them, there will be, trouble.

Breaking the law by those enforcing it is meh?

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by iiqwjsiqos »

Doxin wrote: post #13

> The purpose and function of calling the police is generally to bring lawful force to bear against someone who has committed a crime. Only in america. > Their job is not to resolve domestic disputes Only in america. > Any time you call the cops on somebody, it should be done with the expectation that they may be arrested and taken to jail Only in america. Just because the American police force is awful and only real…

The Dutch police has a brutal method of destroying individuals (persoonsgerichte verstoring [1]) that amounts to group stalking 24h per day.

But I'm glad to see that the official propaganda works.

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by 55555 »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #28

Meh. My bestie has worked the county counsel office in two different counties. He told me it is standard practice for court clerks to hand out stacks of blank, pre-signed subpoenaes to any attorney, government or private practice. Of course the caveat is if you abuse them, there will be, trouble.

This is disgusting...

Re: Louisiana prosecutors are using fake subpoenas to pressure witnesses to talk

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Post by imrehg »

narag wrote: post #22
Pyxl101 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The police couldn't do anything but take this woman downtown. Her daughter protested, "THIS IS NOT WHY WE CALLED YOU", but the officers were like, "whatevers". If all you've got is a hammer, everything is a nail. Sounds like her daughter might have had incorrect expectations for what it entails to call the police, though, unfortunately. The purpose and function of calling the police is generally to bring lawful for…

As others have said, it's not the same outside the USA. There's an entertaining TV show in Spain that depicts all kind of police situations, from domestic disputes to assaulting a drug capo's stronghold. I can also attest by direct experience that the cool attitude they show on camera is the same one they have when nobody's recording. In another show, we see a Spanish policeman as an observer in Miami and making inte…

Out of curiosity, what are the titles of these shows? They sound cool!
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