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Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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You can set your state of mind along with your status now, so I guess this isn't really surprising - if that's how they do it (I only skimmed the article.)

What's new, really? This is just another data point people are willingly handing over for Facebook to sell as per the terms of service.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

#42

Why don't we have a subscription based, non-tracking, ad-free social network yet??

Besides the obvious remarks about people not caring a lot about their privacy and not wanting to pay a cent for a social network the biggest problem is a coordination problem: Facebook satisfied a nearly universal desire for online social interactions and as a consequence gradually all your friends joined the network. That was something new and exciting. Replicating this huge social pull effect once more is incredibly difficult - you'd have to create an entirely new kind of social network.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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I was just about to post to AskHN about how much data these social network behemoths can garner from unposted data, i.e., I write something into my status box or a comment like "fuck the police," then delete without posting, is that data gathered and mined? My gut and brain say yes, because it's easily possible to gather it and with the little bit of research I found no evidence that really shows one way or another w…

I believe it is, though can't recall where I read that.

Would be fairly easy to verify with WireShark.

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What can I sell these teens once I've identified them? Makeup? Clothes? Teen Spirit? I really hate both marketing people and advertising people (present company excluded of course),

Can you imagine the universe where everyone had taken Bill Hicks seriously back in the 90s?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UlapnsFLhc

I actually can't and it makes me very sad.

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What can I sell these teens once I've identified them? Makeup? Clothes? Teen Spirit? I really hate both marketing people and advertising people (present company excluded of course),

Darker than that, unfortunately. They'd see scam ads for "how to be popular" and that sort of thing.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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I was just about to post to AskHN about how much data these social network behemoths can garner from unposted data, i.e., I write something into my status box or a comment like "fuck the police," then delete without posting, is that data gathered and mined? My gut and brain say yes, because it's easily possible to gather it and with the little bit of research I found no evidence that really shows one way or another w…

Has anyone managed to capture unposted thoughts being sent over the wire(less)? I've read the claim that this is done but I don't any relevant network activity when I type and discard something in Chrome...

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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Is this supposed to be a bad thing? If I were a non-profit working on teen depression and suicide, this sounds like an amazing innovation. My intervention and education dollar would go much further. I don't understand the sinister outlook, especially from people who in other contexts--e.g. cryptography & terrorism--would adamantly claim that technology is neutral and that the net benefit from innovation is with rare…

Non-profits strive to place human outcomes over financial results. Many corporations are either unwilling or unable to do so, beyond what is required by law.

Market forces aren't well suited, on their own, to deal with these kind of externalities.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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What can I sell these teens once I've identified them? Makeup? Clothes? Teen Spirit? I really hate both marketing people and advertising people (present company excluded of course),

It seems like an awesome tool for groups that focus on teenage mental health.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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Is that a serious question? Social networks are dependent on network effects. Having a subscription immediately increases the barrier to entry too high for people to be able to get their friends on the same platform.

What speaks against making subscription an option as with Spotify?

A spotify subscription is more valuable than whatever option a social network could offer. Facebook makes a boatload off ads so there's no way they would just turn the option off even with a small subscription. Plus, not enough users care about ads. Most of the comments on this forum will be preaching to the choir.

Re: Facebook told advertisers it can identify teens feeling 'insecure', 'worthless'

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Just asked my teenage siblings and both of them responded that they don't care that they are tracked and aren't sure why they'd pay. Only an anecdote, but there you go.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part then :D

Yeah, as someone in that age range, none of my friends particularly care if some company has all their information and is doing whatever with it.

As long as no one else they know sees...

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