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The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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There's nothing unique about software that makes it more likely to be developed independently by many inventors, the same happens often with hardware patents. And the same argument applies - the patent system as a whole impedes progress as much (or more?) than it advances it.

The argument for why software patents are different is premised by why patents exist. They exist to grant someone a monopoly in exchange for them sharing their invention with the world. If I patent a dishwasher that does not clog, I will be rewarded for my invention... But once the patent expires, a skilled engineer will be able to look at my patent, and build a dishwasher that does not clog - in far less time then i…

With your ideas about patents someone should do it out of the kindness of their heart I guess. Is that what has driven most technological advancements of the human race?

In your software-patentless world, why would a genius choose to work in software as opposed to another field inventing patentable tangible objects where he or she will be monetarily rewarded for it and able to make a living? Don't say you are already paid by your employer to program. Someone inventing physical objects would probably also be already paid by their employer to work. This brings us back to why would a genius choose to work in a field that won't reward them for their genius?

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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All software can be reduced to mathematical formulae, which cannot be patented, so no. There should be no such thing as a software patent.

I'm very sympathetic to the idea of disallowing software patents; to my layman's sensibilities, so many of them are ridiculous, or after the fact grants of something that has been done in practice for years, or predatory, or all that and more. However, any physical machine or process can be reduced to the laws of physics, and you can't patent the laws of physics as far as I know. I don't think "reduced to mathematica…

How about this: today everyone has a computer capable of building things on their own indistinguishable from commercial software. But one can't without running into problems with some ass hole lawyer renting a mailbox in the burbs of Texas.

Assholes hold developers and would be inventors hostage are why software patents should die.

Im beyond caring about the business arguments for them. It results in a rigged game and barrier to entry. If Oracle and MS can't compete without special, expensive protection they should die off.

But it's yet again the elite paying for things to protect their walled garden

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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Not believing in software patents is unlikely to change a court's mind. Instead, support formats that are royalty free from the start - Vorbis, Opus, and Codec2, for example.

This has been confusing me for a long time. As far as I know, it's clearly stated that software is not applicable to patent.

It's not that clear even in Europe (which kinda forbids them, but sorta allows them). And it differs by jurisdiction too (e.g. in the US).

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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Because...?

It's the best codec in every dimension. It's royalty free, has low encoding delay, and has clearly superior compression efficiency.

> It's the best codec in every dimension

Battery life efficiency? MP3 is usually in hardware, these days. And battery life matters a lot.

(Not a gotcha--I have no idea.)

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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I'm very sympathetic to the idea of disallowing software patents; to my layman's sensibilities, so many of them are ridiculous, or after the fact grants of something that has been done in practice for years, or predatory, or all that and more. However, any physical machine or process can be reduced to the laws of physics, and you can't patent the laws of physics as far as I know. I don't think "reduced to mathematica…

The loom? Sure. The exact pattern on the cards themselves? Maybe not. I'd say no, but I recognize that US law currently says differently. It seems like the old pattern of "Patent a certain method of weaving brocade", then later "Patent a certain method of weaving brocade...on (mechanical) computers!"

The exact pattern on the cards would seem to be a copyright issue more than a patent issue.

To the original objection that you can't patent math, I think some countries do disallow software patents, don't know if it's that reason or something else. But if they can disallow because math, shouldn't they disallow all patents because physics?

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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I vaguely recall that Vorbis requires a fair bit more processing to decompress, enough to be a potential issue 15 years ago, but on modern computers it's barely detectable and doesn't effect performance at all.

My recollection matches yours. I remember loading a custom firmware on my iPod, around 2005. Vorbis support was a big new feature; they'd just figured out how to get decode working fast enough on its 80MHz ARM7 CPU.

Probably Rockbox? iPods their clickwheel interface and it's software was amazing for the time, but other MP3 players generally had kinda icky interfaces. Rockbox fixed that :)

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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How do you "support a format"? AFAIK nothing will convince Apple to release music in a better (patent-free) codec, much less convince others to dump DRM.

> How do you "support a format"? AFAIK nothing will convince Apple to release music in a better (patent-free) codec, much less convince others to dump DRM. Then you start by not giving them your money. It's a uphill battle, but someone has to fight the good fight instead of just throwing their hands-up.

Do you suggest I don't listen to music, or are you prepared with an alternative to apple?

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How do you "support a format"? AFAIK nothing will convince Apple to release music in a better (patent-free) codec, much less convince others to dump DRM.

So don't buy music from Apple, or from anyone else that sells it in non-free formats

Do you have a suggestion? Where can I find Rihanna in Ogg/Vorbis?

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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I mean, I'm very much opposed to over-broad software patents, but that's a fairly silly argument. Anything a human being produces can be reduced to mathematical formulae.

I think what they may've been referring to is something like the Curry-Howard correspondence, which describes the mapping between computer programs and mathematical proofs. Mathematical proofs can't be patented, and it could be taken to imply that (at least some) programs/algorithms shouldn't be eligible for patent protection.

> Mathematical proofs can't be patented,

Only because we've decided so. In the United States, for example, you can copyright the law.

Re: The licensing program for MP3-related patents has been terminated

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My recollection matches yours. I remember loading a custom firmware on my iPod, around 2005. Vorbis support was a big new feature; they'd just figured out how to get decode working fast enough on its 80MHz ARM7 CPU.

Probably Rockbox? iPods their clickwheel interface and it's software was amazing for the time, but other MP3 players generally had kinda icky interfaces. Rockbox fixed that :)

Yes, it was Rockbox. I followed it when they were first bringing it up on the 4th Gen iPod.
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