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Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by mythrwy »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

I don't agree with you at all but given that you do present an unpopular opinion (which we need, there is too much "on the bandwagon" thinking at HN sometimes) and given the way you phrase the point I'm up-voting.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #50
soineuh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a beautiful quote, it's incoherent nonsense. You're reading bones, mystic brute.

Your responses smack of an angry, small person looking to pick a fight from what you think is a position of superiority(not engaging in drug use). If you could actually explain what is wrong with the above quote, that'd be magnitudes more useful than this and your other screed elsewhere in the thread.

I'm easily in the 99th percentile for physical strength, and anger is last in my repertoire of rich emotions. I'd say a peaceful, focused calm is probably number one.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

eludwig wrote: post #44
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

>>it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way There are many things that fit this description: being a parent, puberty, your first kiss, falling in love, a death in the family. Would you cling to a definition of yourself that has no room for major, perspective-changing, life-altering insights? You can try, but life has a way of changing constantly whether you want it to or not. Recreational d…

I choose to raise children because they are beautiful and I owe the world more people like me. I was able predict beforehand the ways that it would change me, and they were all good.

I didn't have a choice to go through puberty. That was programmed through millions of years of adaptive evolution. It's the last thing from senseless.

I kissed my first woman because millions of years of adaptive evolution have tempered me to benefit from intimacy, bonding, and community.

If could do anything to help it, my family would never die. This is a terrible thing I never chose, and wouldn't wish on anybody if it were a choice.

All of these things that change us are nothing like a strange chemical we've stumbled upon and found to scramble our brains. Next.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

simias wrote: post #38
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

Your comment is unpopular because it doesn't bring anything of value to the conversation. I'm not really sure what you want to say, or why you think that a thread about the death of Nick Sand is the right place to say it. All you do is make grand, unsourced claims such as calling LSD "an objectively useless and destructive drug" followed by preemptive insults on anybody who'd dare to respond. You should work less on…

> Your comment is unpopular because it doesn't bring anything of value to the conversation. I'm not really sure what you want to say, or why you think that a thread about the death of Nick Sand is the right place to say it.

Did you miss all the other comments celebrating LSD, and Nick Sand for providing it to the masses? This is absolutely right place to say it. You just don't like it, for completely different reason.

> You should work less on trying to sound clever and more on actually saying clever things. [my wonderful prose], seriously?

I was sloppily recording my honest thoughts at two in the morning, and I did a pretty good job.

Let's contrast with some words quoted in this thread, probably more carefully spoken at the time:

What I found to be the genius of LSD is that it really gets you high, higher than the programs, higher than the walls that mask and blind one to the energy destroying presence of many contradictory but hidden programs.

What do you think is more clever? What is being celebrated in the highest rated post of this thread, and what is being mocked near the bottom? That doesn't seem strange to you?

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

eip wrote: post #56
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

"Acid is not for every brain .... Only the healthy, happy, wholesome, handsome, hopeful, humorous, high-velocity should seek these experiences. This elitism is totally self-determined. Unless you are self-confident, self-directed, self-selected, please abstain." --Timothy Leary

Oh, what a scholar! What self-determined elitism, being fired from a lecturing position at Harvard for not showing up to work! How skillfully he turns abject failure into victory!

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

erinaceousjones wrote: post #51
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

off topic slightly, your post comes across as serious, yet probably is not - the articles on your homepage are hilarious. well done

God bless, brother. I'm glad you were able to enjoy my work.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

gasbag wrote: post #57
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

> turns you into Tim Leary Or Doug Engelbart, or Steve Jobs, or any number of the other pioneers of personal computing who cited their psychedelic use as formative or informative. I also just want to note that there are at least three earnest, substantial responses to your vitriol (I do not count this among them), and no attempts yet from you to respond to any of them. Perhaps you are just in a different time zone an…

I'm back, baby!

Steve Jobs was an idiot. That other guy is nothing special. Show me research mathematicians, hedgefund managers, landlords, or doctors.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

konradb wrote: post #52
soineuh wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen. He frames it as a joke, but he probably believes it.

His point is that you have come to a number of strongly expressed conclusions about a subject that you have no direct experience of.

Do I need direct experience to know about something? Was this empirical standard impressed upon you by a particularly wicked LSD trip, or are you unaware of the means by which the vast majority of knowledge and understanding is acquired? Does this lack of awareness play any role in your use of psychedelics to 'learn things'?

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by soineuh »

soundwave106 wrote: post #49
soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

All recreational chemicals have people waxing evangelical notions of them. Heck, even that humble cup of coffee was originally associated with Sufi mystics ( http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22190802 ). LSD is nothing more than a serotonin receptor agonist (although LSD has a bit more dopaminergic response than other serotonergic psychedelics). It produces certain effects in the body. That's it. The evidence of long-…

Yeah, and a bullet through the brain is just a little bit of metal, right?

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by mirimir »

soineuh wrote: post #68
konradb wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point is that you have come to a number of strongly expressed conclusions about a subject that you have no direct experience of.

Do I need direct experience to know about something? Was this empirical standard impressed upon you by a particularly wicked LSD trip, or are you unaware of the means by which the vast majority of knowledge and understanding is acquired? Does this lack of awareness play any role in your use of psychedelics to 'learn things'?

Sure, you don't need direct experience to know about LSD trips. But you obviously do, in order to actually know LSD trips. Really. Trust me. You have no fucking clue. You're like Hellen Keller, before that insight at the well.
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