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Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by erinaceousjones »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

off topic slightly, your post comes across as serious, yet probably is not - the articles on your homepage are hilarious. well done

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by konradb »

soineuh wrote: post #31
jaaames wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you need to try out some LSD bro.

There it is, ladies and gentlemen. He frames it as a joke, but he probably believes it.

His point is that you have come to a number of strongly expressed conclusions about a subject that you have no direct experience of.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by swayvil »

nnfy wrote: post #21
swayvil wrote: post #14

Speaking as a meditation enthusiast, he probably did more to expand human consciousness than a thousand meditation enthusiasts.

I'm curious, have you ever combined meditation with psychoactive substances? I've found that marijuana and amphetamines both make it substantially easier for me to meditate and calm my mind. I'm not particularly experienced though- just a handful of times a month for a few years...

ya, I have.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by pizza »

fiatpandas wrote: post #37
nnfy wrote: post #18

These people arguably changed the world. Early psychonauts and LSD use are tied to the beginnings of the electronic frontier foundation, and the concept of an open information space and an alternative reality for all of humanity to use freely. There is a documentary which shows in interviews that these ideals were at least partially inspired by LSD use. I hope someday to conquer my anxiety to a degree sufficient to e…

>there is a documentary What's the title?

hypernormalization, i think - it's quite a saga of a documentary

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by eip »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

"Acid is not for every brain .... Only the healthy, happy, wholesome, handsome, hopeful, humorous, high-velocity should seek these experiences. This elitism is totally self-determined. Unless you are self-confident, self-directed, self-selected, please abstain." --Timothy Leary

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by gasbag »

soineuh wrote: post #24

Are the rest of you just too polite to knock a soul only looking for a saviour? Why are these comments exclusively basket-cases fawning over the 'world-changing' meditative power of an objectively useless and destructive drug? I'll preempt the obvious response. Yeah, it doesn't kill you, but it irreparably alters your personality in a completely senseless way, turns you into Tim Leary, or someotherway spits in the fa…

> turns you into Tim Leary

Or Doug Engelbart, or Steve Jobs, or any number of the other pioneers of personal computing who cited their psychedelic use as formative or informative.

I also just want to note that there are at least three earnest, substantial responses to your vitriol (I do not count this among them), and no attempts yet from you to respond to any of them. Perhaps you are just in a different time zone and will get to them later.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by cnp »

eip wrote: post #15
badosu wrote: post #6

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Surprisingly similar to what Lilly wrote in 1968: "PROGRAMMING AND METAPROGAMMING IN THE HUMAN BIOCOMPUTER" [0] A very good book, even though you should not take it literally, quote from the preface: Eventually the cerebral cortex appeared as an expanding new highlevel computer controlling the structurally lower levels of the nervous system, the lower builtin programs. For the first time learning and its faster adapt…

This is the best book to read on LSD. Only a little bit though otherwise your pupils will dilate too much to read. Obviously.

The one you really need to read by him is "The Center of the Cyclone" ;) It is truly, truly incredible. This guy was a real-deal scientist.

I first discovered him through reading this https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-ketamine-secrets-of-s... and then went on to read every one of his books except for his last, which I want to save for the right time. This guy has had a profound effect on my life and I cant recommend his work highly enough.

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by cnp »

notwfn wrote: post #48
Exuma wrote: post #28

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That's a truly well-put quote... its so easy to 'see' having done LSD a lot. I'm still it's sure hard to even come 1% of grasping it if you've never experienced though.

> I'm still it's sure hard to even come 1% of grasping it if you've never experienced though. I'm not sure about that. I've done my fair share of LSD some years ago, but to me (to lift a simile from somebody else), it's a bit like a program's coredump. All the information is there, sure, less pre-categorized / pre-filtered, but it's not exactly guiding, so to speak. You're left on your own in a forest. Not always, an…

Thank you for this!

Re: Nick Sand, Orange Sunshine LSD chemist, has died

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Post by badosu »

cnp wrote: post #58
eip wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best book to read on LSD. Only a little bit though otherwise your pupils will dilate too much to read. Obviously.

The one you really need to read by him is "The Center of the Cyclone" ;) It is truly, truly incredible. This guy was a real-deal scientist. I first discovered him through reading this https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/the-ketamine-secrets-of-s... and then went on to read every one of his books except for his last, which I want to save for the right time. This guy has had a profound effect on my life and I cant recom…

Thanks for the recommendation! I like 'The Biocomputer' but I find it over the top, hope this one's a bit more sober.
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