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DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by brokenmachine »

est wrote: post #26
zkms wrote: post #19

The solution is simple: allow low-power ADS-B to be radiated from drones and encourage/require its use: see http://www.uavionix.com/blog/the-case-for-low-power-ads-b/ Add a penalty for flying anywhere that could interfere any sort of crewed aircraft operations (including airports and flight paths, of course) without an operational and registered ADS-B transceiver. You fly next to big iron, you broadcast and listen to…

The Chengdu case DJI was facing was something totally different. I try my best to describe 1. the so called "drone" was witnessed by pilots from 1km away with bare eye. DJI products were very tiny and I doubt pilots could see that. 2. Yesterday evening it was raining and pretty dark outside, there's still a "drone" interrupting airport. 3. Lots of online speculation say it's not as simple as "DJI drone accident". It'…

> It's rumoured there was a responder onboard the unknown drone.

? not sure what this means?

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by brokenmachine »

pdelbarba wrote: post #81
megablast wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same with cars, but they kill over a million people a year. Somehow that is acceptable though.

The issue is accountability. Cars are "2D" and generally limited in where they can go. Drones are small, hard to detect, and hard to trace back to their owner/controller. Similarly with the lasers, I've been hit at night while flying and it's not something I want to repeat. The idiots playing with it can just throw it their pocket and run off before the cops even get the coordinates.

> lasers, I've been hit at night while flying and it's not something I want to repeat.

Really?! I find it hard to hold a laser pointer steady just on the wall, I can't imagine accurately aiming it at a plane cockpit for any extended period of time. Only maybe when it's taking off or landing, and you're close I can imagine being able to do it. Of course, that is the absolute worst time to lose vision though.

Can you describe your experience?

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by brokenmachine »

kbos87 wrote: post #59
brokenmachine wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live and often walk past a place with an amazing view of some world-renowned scenery. Almost every time I walk past now, I have to hear the annoying buzz of drones filming today's happy bride and groom. I used to think drones were cool and wanted one, but now I just find them a bit irritating. I do like the footage they can take though.

I can understand the sentiment. I'm a frequent drone flyer and I try my best to quickly get it to an altitude where it's not all that loud or noticeable when I'm around other people. When it's 200-300ft up, it's barely audible.

Thank you.

I have no problem with that, it's the professional wedding videographers that are getting shots close to the ground that is irritating.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by zkms »

pdelbarba wrote: post #79
zkms wrote: post #19

The solution is simple: allow low-power ADS-B to be radiated from drones and encourage/require its use: see http://www.uavionix.com/blog/the-case-for-low-power-ads-b/ Add a penalty for flying anywhere that could interfere any sort of crewed aircraft operations (including airports and flight paths, of course) without an operational and registered ADS-B transceiver. You fly next to big iron, you broadcast and listen to…

ADS-B hardware would have to be certified ($$$$). It's an excellent addition to the current air-traffic situation but the actual protocol is not very robust. It's pretty easy to jam or overwhelm the system without trying if the software running the transmitter shits a brick. This system is going to become more heavily relied upon since not every airport has a radar (even controlled airports with a tower) and I imagin…

> but the actual protocol is not very robust. It's pretty easy to jam or overwhelm the system without trying if the software running the transmitter shits a brick.

Yeah that definitely is an issue -- there's no fancy multiple access provisions on 1090MHz.

Limited TX power needs to happen anyway for ADS-B to live on those battery-powered UAVs, along with along with implementing the protocol inside an ASIC that monitors/decodes its own RF output (and bricks itself if it's transmitting inappropriately) would likely be enough to avoid accidental disruption.

I wonder if there's going to be additional spectrum and RF standards for position reporting systems specifically meant for UAVs.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by jungletek »

brokenmachine wrote: post #89
_jal wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I land somewhere in-between. I see drones as different than, say, smoking or skateboarding. Smoking irritates people, but outdoors, it is really easy to get away from. Skateboarding is potentially dangerous to bystanders, but it is very obvious when someone on a board is getting close enough to cause damage. Drones can (and occasionally do) fall out of the sky. Knowing there's one somewhere over me leads me to pay a…

> Smoking irritates people, but outdoors, it is really easy to get away from. I find smoking 100x worse than any drone. When I'm standing there minding my own business, and then some selfish person comes near and ruins my air, I find it incredibly rude and selfish. Why should I have to move just because someone else can't keep their addictions to themselves? And the terrible-smelling smoke carries literally more than…

>my air

I laughed.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by jungletek »

glangdale wrote: post #7

Am I the only one getting heebie-jeebies over the prospect of drones being used for purposes of terrorism? It sounds like these guys (in the article) are just jack-asses but it doesn't seem hard to imagine bad actors doing quite a bit worse. I'm also scared of the prospect that autonomous drones might be considerably harder to stop and/or catch the perpetrators before or afterwards. It also seems likely that this wil…

>Am I the only one getting heebie-jeebies over the prospect of drones being used for purposes of terrorism?

Doubtful, given how terrorism is the current bogeyman being used to push irrational fear upon those that can't think critically and/or don't understand statistics and probability.

Where do you live that you're so scared of everything? Were you always so afraid or do you think media/propaganda/disinformation have conditioned you? Not trolling here, just genuinely curious as to why terrorism is part of your threat model...

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by brokenmachine »

jungletek wrote: post #95
brokenmachine wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Smoking irritates people, but outdoors, it is really easy to get away from. I find smoking 100x worse than any drone. When I'm standing there minding my own business, and then some selfish person comes near and ruins my air, I find it incredibly rude and selfish. Why should I have to move just because someone else can't keep their addictions to themselves? And the terrible-smelling smoke carries literally more than…

>my air I laughed.

Haha, that did sound a bit funny.

I'm happy to share my air with non-smokers though. Everyone else needs to get their own.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by vkou »

moftz wrote: post #66
breeze_em_out wrote: post #46

Is this appropriate for businesses to be doing? I mean, you don't see Ford putting out bounties on drunk hit'n'run drivers, and that's something that's cost thousands of lives. How is this type of McCarthy PR acceptable? DJI customers, what are your thoughts on this?

No one complains about cars and wants to restrict them the same way drones are treated. DJI has an interest in making sure that their drones follow the law. The entire drone industry and their lawful users also have an interest in making sure that no one is giving drone pilots a bad reputation. DJI is part of this and wants to spend their money to make sure that people know that unlawful flights are not tolerated by…

Not quite - we restrict cars even more then we restrict drones.

They also happen to be necessary to the operation of our society. Drones are little more then toys. If all drones were grounded tomorrow, life would go on. If all cars stopped tomorrow, half the country would starve to death by June.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

zellyn wrote: post #60
averagewall wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will always be annoyed at thing occupying space they're trying to enjoy. Some say the same about tourists in general (eg yourself), and houses, and cars, and wind turbines. I even know someone who doesn't like trees - they clutter up the beautiful hillsides.

It's the noise drones make: they're incredibly loud.

Once it's at hovering at 150-200 feet you would have to listen very carefully to hear a small drone.

Re: DJI Puts $145K Bounty on the Drone Pilots Who Were Disrupting Flights

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

astrodust wrote: post #28

Drones are nothing of not noisy, and that noise is unlike almost any other piece of machinery. It shouldn't be too hard to set up towers around the airport with sensitive speakers that can triangulate the location of a drone flying within a restricted area. From that point it can sound an alarm and/or deploy counter-measures.

Small drones are pretty quiet, especially once they reach altitude. It would be difficult or impossible to pick one up over the noise of wind, cars, lawn mowers or leaf blowers.
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