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No need for the snark; obviously "other stuff" includes things you need for raising a family.

Right, but housing is sort of the bare minimum. People in developing countries raise families in extremely cramped conditions, true, but that's not something you can get away with in our society. Children's Aid Society, Family & Children's Services, and many other organizations will intervene in such situations. It'd be especially embarrassing to be put in such a situation just so you can bump up from a high-five-fig…

DCFS is the main reason not to raise children in cramped conditions?

How about, you know, basic empathy? (Unless you have some reason to believe that DCFS has unreasonably high standards here?)

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Right, but housing is sort of the bare minimum. People in developing countries raise families in extremely cramped conditions, true, but that's not something you can get away with in our society. Children's Aid Society, Family & Children's Services, and many other organizations will intervene in such situations. It'd be especially embarrassing to be put in such a situation just so you can bump up from a high-five-fig…

DCFS is the main reason not to raise children in cramped conditions? How about, you know, basic empathy? (Unless you have some reason to believe that DCFS has unreasonably high standards here?)

DCFS is the main reason not to raise children in cramped conditions?

No. I was never advocating for raising children in cramped conditions. Remember, the person I was arguing with lumped family into "other stuff".

I live in Waterloo. I've seen more than one person on HN argue that you should leave as soon as you get your degree here. I don't want to do that. I think Waterloo has some wonderful neighbourhoods for raising children, complete with top notch public schools within walking distance. The real estate prices here are not nearly as bad as Toronto, let alone SF. Even if you could make 3 times as much working in the Bay Area as you could here; I would assert that it's easier to buy a 3BR house here, have 2 kids, get them both into university and keep them healthy the entire time than it would be in SF.

Re: Canada is North America’s up-and-coming startup center

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Here's another source, Payscale.com: Software engineer (Canada): $51,000 (C$70,000) Software engineer (US): $80,825 The gap here is smaller ($30k vs. $50k) but still significant. And I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm more inclined to believe two surveys than a random person's claim. [1] http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa... [2] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engin…

Canada is a large country. $51k in Winnipeg might be a really nice salary. In the greater Toronto area that would be low.

United States is a large country. $51k or $80k would be a nice salary in Arkansas. In the Bay Area it's low. What's your point?

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Yes that's correct. Although, if you're working remotely you're not likely to be making much over $100K, so it may still be worth it. Your take home may still be close to working in the Valley, and your cost of living, excluding food will be less than half. I'm Canadian though, so I don't have to deal with the long-armed-fingers-in-my-pockets embrace of Uncle Sam. Every other country in the world is sensible enough t…

Could you explain? I live in Germany but, as far as I know, am still required to file taxes in Canada every year.

Do you have to pay tax on your German earnings (earned in Germany, which you already pay tax to the German authorities on)? Almost all countries only tax you on the money earned (approximately) within their borders. So for most 'expats' it amounts to taxing interest and dividends, and maybe rental income on your old house.

Not so the USA, which has a claim on all money earned by Americans world-wide. There's a ~U$100k earnings exemption (so many people aren't paying much tax back to the USA), but high-earning USA expats are in a different tax-world from their overseas colleagues.

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I think there are a number of factors here, and I don't think social factors should be ruled out. There are a number of startups here, but there are also many community/social innovation hubs[1] and organizations that draw in a lot of people who come here to start something up. The number of jobs I have seen posted for the "Next Flipp!" the "Next Uber!!!" is outstanding. How many flyer-aggregate apps do people really…

Actually, MaRS has been not at all useful in my experience. Additionally, Toronto is home to a lot of great startups, though many are a bit smaller than the giants, but some are giants. Shopify and 500px are good examples. Smaller examples are AgileBits who make 1password and PagerDuty. There are more too, in enterprise, legal, you won't have heard of these as the aren't consumer facing.

MaRS seems to be much bigger in science and medical startups, and unless you look for what they've been supporting it's like you mentioned most won't have heard of them because they aren't consumer facing. I think I mentioned elsewhere -- Shopify and 500px (I've applied there and failed lol) are some of the unicorns here. Good companies with good products and good talent. I'll have to check out AgileBits.

I work for a company that sometimes deals with other smaller startups but they can be fleeting in lifespan.

I would love to find something viable to join in on vs. the enterprise environment I find myself in now. Though I honestly haven't had my ear to the ground as much lately.

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Canada is a large country. $51k in Winnipeg might be a really nice salary. In the greater Toronto area that would be low.

United States is a large country. $51k or $80k would be a nice salary in Arkansas. In the Bay Area it's low. What's your point?

The point is when people start talking about average salary.

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I was an executive at a SW firm in Toronto for almost 9 years (I'm originally from the US). In order to hire relatively talented people, the salaries were (even in 2007) no where near what you are describing. When I resigned in 2014 the lowest paid developer on a 30 person team might have been making around $80k. Typically salaries were between $88 and $110. While there are a large number of Canadians that have gone…

My sense is the more ambitious Canadian engineers and/or those with high earnings potential will be drastically better off in the US (financially speaking) because the upper end of compensation and access to job opportunity is so much higher, but beyond that it's significantly murkier and highly dependent on personal circumstance.

As long as you are not on an H1B you might be better off. That said, fintech in Toronto is burgeoning.

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I've also been to Mountain View. As a young college grad I would like to live in a CITY, not a sprawling suburban nightmare where half of my day would be stuck in traffic. The higher pay is the ONLY reason to move to Silicon Valley. It has nothing on Vancouver or Toronto in terms of night life, food, or fun for a college-educated professional.

So why not NYC? More of a city and better wages for devs than either Vancouver or Toronto.

Agreed. NYC is the best choice.
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