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In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Live on the other side of a subway or commuter train line. New Jersey, Brooklyn, Queens, that sort of thing.

> Brooklyn Hahahahahahahaha, good one. Maybe you're in some alternate dimension Brooklyn, but the one I live in is full on crazygonuts expensive.

Maybe you should try leaving wburg sometime.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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We moved to Utah where the tech scene is actually quite strong, and the cost of living is significantly less. We bought an 8k sq ft house for the price of many 1,500 sq ft town homes we had been putting offers in on in California. It can be such a rat race down there, it is refreshing to remember that it doesn't have to be that way. Life exists outside of The Valley, and it happens to be a pretty darn good one (and a…

What's the power bill? I have considered doing the same but seems like you almost have to buy a house that big or live in a non-desirable area.

I'd have to look at the bill but I think that it averages out to be around $250-350/month for electricity.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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I don't know much about SF salaries, but in NYC, 100K is really middle class. With enrage rent at 2k/mo, salaries have to be high in order to keep up with cost of living. Everyone makes a huge deal about the number but shouldn't it be more of a ratio? Like the cost of living to base salary? That should be a better statistic to judge quality of life.

The median annual family income (for a whole family including all earners) is 50k. 100k for a family is in the top 20% of NYC.

I live in Brooklyn, by Verrazano bridge which is an hour away from Manahattan by train. I don't know how a family can servive on 50k in a working class neighborhood like mine.

I believe there is a great disparity in NYC between Section 8 housing and regular, rent stabilized, apartments.

Section 8 brings down family income median as the housing is very affordable but cannot be classified as desirable by most standards.

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Are you a minority race and if so would you say that Utah is friendly to non-whites ?

I am not a minority race, but Utah is becoming quite diverse. My personal opinion is that it is a welcoming place and is a great place for families to raise their children.

Utah is a lovely place, but this stuck out to me

> Utah is becoming quite diverse

Was curious about this, as it didn't seem to fit my limited observation from my last few trips to Utah (which is again, a lovely place). The Census bureau government says Utah is >91% "white only":

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/49

Which is likely more diverse than Utah was in the past, but could not be fairly compared to California as "quite diverse" given the same number for California is 73%:

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/06,49

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Wow, this resonates with me. In 2013 my wife and I were living in the Bay Area and had just welcomed our third child into the family. I was making 105k/yr at Apple (which seemed like a ton at the time!) but I felt like I was saving very little of that. I was approached on LinkedIn to take a job with matching pay but that was fully remote. I could live anywhere I wanted in the entire country. I jumped at the chance an…

Are you an engineer? You were probably being underpaid.

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To me it's just a poorly pulled espresso with a ton of sugar...

Not sure the down votes because you just perfectly described a bad colada. But there is hope they can be delicious, it's the only coffee I drink, and I even wanted to bring Cuban coffee in a can to market cubanshot.weebly.com of course months after contacting coffee canners Starbucks came out with their doubleshot cubano which is terrible. Basically the difference between a real/good colada and what you described is…

I see a lot of canned coffee so there seems to be a bit of market beyond Starbucks. I would ditch the green though. I guess it depends on can you produce at a scale that would make you profitable.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Well to really answer the question we have to define what we mean by "middle-class," which is often deliberately left so nebulous that it covers practically everyone besides the homeless and the stratospherically wealthy.

You also have to define "NYC"; this includes outer boroughs like the Bronx where incomes and rents are MUCH lower. If you restrict yourself to Manhattan or a couple outlying areas in Brooklyn/Queens that are considered desirable, the numbers change quite dramatically.

I used NYC as the 5 boroughs. I also used working class neighborhood rent as comparison instead of manahattan, which would be a bit more

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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> around £400k which should be comfortably affordable to someone on 70k The mortgage on that will be using up around half of your income. That's insane.

Assuming a 60k deposit (so 340k mortage), you could get a 2 year fixed mortgage at 1.53% so your repayments will be £1,178.31. £70k post-tax is around £48k so £4k/month so the mortgage will take around 30% of your take-home pay which is a fairly standard ratio.

long term average mortgage interest rates are over 5% - if you're working in a STEM field what thought process leads you to blowing 1+ years net salary on a deposit for a 2yr fix at 1.53% with a 20+ year commitment?

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Why would a young professional person want to live anywhere where earning 100k + is not enough when they could live in quite a few other states and earn a 100k + enjoying a cost of living that is 1/3 of what it is in SF or NYC? My wife and I both make well into the 6 figures working at boring corporations enjoying a lifestyle where we would have to earn the equivalent of 7 figures in the Bay Area or NYC. There are a…

Because when you're young you can live cheap and still have plenty of disposable income. There's also a huge benefit of spending a few years in the heart of the tech industry. Once you've been able to hack it there you can move wherever and take that experience/knowledge with you.

Re: In Bay Area, six-figure salaries are “low income”

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Why would a young professional person want to live anywhere where earning 100k + is not enough when they could live in quite a few other states and earn a 100k + enjoying a cost of living that is 1/3 of what it is in SF or NYC? My wife and I both make well into the 6 figures working at boring corporations enjoying a lifestyle where we would have to earn the equivalent of 7 figures in the Bay Area or NYC. There are a…

I'm in a similar situation but there are fewer opportunities in non tech hub cities. There may be 100 sr dev openings in my area vs 5000 in the bay for instance. When ever I'm on the market I usually see openings at the same 5-10 companies, and like you said most of them are boring.
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