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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #45

For all the criticism he is getting, this would never have happened without him. Taxi companies are too strong, and the US needed someone like him to break barriers. Lyft would never have existed without Uber. Now that Uber broke through the path (and is getting destroyed for it) the way is open for lots of other companies. It happens all the time that the company that invents or creates something new, does not actua…

The idea was in the air. Someone was going to it big. Even my buddy and I prototyped a crappy ride hailing app. When I scouted potential competitors, I found about a dozen.

Uber's innovation was financial (fleecing investors), not technical.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be via other apps using ubers native sdk writing to a common key store. ala Google sharing auth between apps on iOS.

Such key stores are wiped on erase. They more likely used the wifi MAC address.

Is it against the rules to track via the mac address?

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#143

I'm off uber after a BS "5 minute" issue. I've been using it for years, they literally had to burn so much goodwill to get me to stop using them, it's almost impressive.

You're talking about them tracking you for up to five minutes after they drop you off, right?

I've also left Uber for Lyft.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #124

"Using an email digest service it owns named Unroll.me, Slice collected its customers’ emailed Lyft receipts from their inboxes and sold the anonymized data to Uber. " Can someone explain to me the mechanics of how this happens? I use Lyft, which emails me a receipt. How does Slice get a hold of this? Does Lyft sell it to Slice?

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #110
post #36

From the article, explained: At the time, Uber was dealing with widespread account fraud in places like China, where tricksters bought stolen iPhones that were erased of their memory and resold. Some Uber drivers there would then create dozens of fake email addresses to sign up for new Uber rider accounts attached to each phone, and request rides from those phones, which they would then accept. Since Uber was handing…

This really doesn't match up with how the conversation/outrage is playing out on Twitter right now. People seem to be interpreting this as "Uber continues to track your location after you have deleted the app," when what really happened seemed to be "If you delete Uber and then reinstall it on the same phone, Uber knows that it's the same phone." See for example this Tweet, with hundreds of retweets and lots of verif…

jesus. that guy is a reuters "reporter" as well. stuff like this is what encourages the concept of 'fake news'

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #131
post #124

"Using an email digest service it owns named Unroll.me, Slice collected its customers’ emailed Lyft receipts from their inboxes and sold the anonymized data to Uber. " Can someone explain to me the mechanics of how this happens? I use Lyft, which emails me a receipt. How does Slice get a hold of this? Does Lyft sell it to Slice?

It's pretty sleazy. See https://unroll.me It purports to be a convenient tool for end users. But sells them out for revenue. Edit: I'm sure it's in the terms somewhere. But to me, something this intrusive should be stated up front if it's not obvious.

Pretty sleazy indeed.

Honest question (not trolling, I swear), is Gmail any different? I guess (I'm guessing though?) google doesn't sell users' info to third parties? (But I guess it does use the info within alphabet companies??) Does anyone know this for sure?

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#148
post #71

> Uber considered Lyft and McDonald’s its main competition for attracting new drivers. can somebody explain this?

Uber is a low-wage job that is extremely easy to get (no interview required) and has very few skills as a prerequisite. McDonalds fits those criteria as well.

Not incredibly easy to get, you do need a pretty-nice car. I make okay money and my car would not suffice.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious I don't understand why not. I have a total of five friends who have each chosen to drive for various ridesharing companies, and in the conversations I've had with them, it seems pretty clear that none of them would be drivers if they couldn't set their own schedules, or if they were othe…

Flexible schedules has almost nothing to do with employees vs contractors.

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

#150
post #36

From the article, explained: At the time, Uber was dealing with widespread account fraud in places like China, where tricksters bought stolen iPhones that were erased of their memory and resold. Some Uber drivers there would then create dozens of fake email addresses to sign up for new Uber rider accounts attached to each phone, and request rides from those phones, which they would then accept. Since Uber was handing…

> "to be clear, a # of companies practice 'fingerprinting,' and it is fully breaking the App Store rules. But also very clever fraud detection." https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/856180005977677825

100% sure that all decent banking app use device fingerprinting. 100% sure that it is not breaking the rules and it is really important that they keep doing it.
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