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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Such key stores are wiped on erase. They more likely used the wifi MAC address.

The wifi Mac address is obscured from native code

Didn't used to be and it's unclear what the exact timing is of this code.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #92

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Did you just diagnose someone with a condition that isn't found in the DSM and then cite your own website as a source of evidence?

> Did you just diagnose someone with a condition that isn't found in the DSM and then cite your own website as a source of evidence? I knew Steve Jobs personally. He was a malignant narcissist as that term is defined[ * ]. Also, what pivotal role can scientific evidence play in an unscientific field like psychology? > ... with a condition that isn't found in the DSM ... Conditions arrive at, and depart from, the DSM…

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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> this would never have happened without him How can you be so sure of this? The person who came up with the concept behind Uber was not Kalanick, it was Garrett Camp. http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-travis-kalanick-bio-2014...

I don't think he means the idea wouldn't have happened without him. It's his ability to disrupt an industry tightly coupled with government.

Kalanick is a Napoleonesque figure, a great conqueror who doesn't know when to pull back on the reigns, because he knows nothing else. Our memories are short, we're skewering him for being exactly the kind of animal that not to long ago most everyone was rooting for.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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I really hope Lyft doesn't do anything to screw up, as I've uninstalled Uber and will probably never use the service again. However, I don't see myself going back to regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. I just hope Lyft plays the game with a social conscious and makes positive decisions and continues to treat drivers well (most Lyft drivers I talk to say they like driving for Lyft way bette…

>regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. The idea that the taxis are corrupt and despicable is 100% Uber/Lyft propaganda. The idea that a bunch of immigrants driving 12 hours a day to support a meager income for their families are a cabal of special interests is ridiculous. Uber and Lyft are better than taxis because of the on demand nature and they are cheaper because of better utilization. B…

The immigrants driving 12 hours a day are paying hella rents to the taxi companies for that privilege. There is a reason NYC taxi medallions were being traded for over $1M, because the taxi companies lobbied to limit the supply of taxis and were making massive profits leasing those medallions to drivers.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Could be via other apps using ubers native sdk writing to a common key store. ala Google sharing auth between apps on iOS.

Such key stores are wiped on erase. They more likely used the wifi MAC address.

Can't one simply change the MAC address like you can do on PC?

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #18

I really hope Lyft doesn't do anything to screw up, as I've uninstalled Uber and will probably never use the service again. However, I don't see myself going back to regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. I just hope Lyft plays the game with a social conscious and makes positive decisions and continues to treat drivers well (most Lyft drivers I talk to say they like driving for Lyft way bette…

>regular taxi system as that's even more corrupt and despicable. The idea that the taxis are corrupt and despicable is 100% Uber/Lyft propaganda. The idea that a bunch of immigrants driving 12 hours a day to support a meager income for their families are a cabal of special interests is ridiculous. Uber and Lyft are better than taxis because of the on demand nature and they are cheaper because of better utilization. B…

The problem with taxis isn't corruption (at the driver level). It's that the service is uniformly terrible. There's no incentive to improve as you'll likely never see the same driver twice. The drivers don't care because it's not worth to them to care.

Add to that the issue that every taxi ride I've taken in recent memory involved the driver spending the entire ride complaining about the low fare (which is 2x the UberX fare). The first time it was an interesting conversation but by the 10th it's just annoying and one more reason to dread taking a yellow cab.

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"At a meeting at Mr. Kalanick’s house, and over cartons of Chinese food, he and Mr. Michael hosted Lyft’s president, John Zimmer, who asked for 15 percent of Uber in exchange for selling Lyft. Over the next hour, Mr. Kalanick and Mr. Michael repeatedly laughed at Mr. Zimmer’s audacious request."

Did they laugh at him to his face, cause if it was just the two of them...

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #58

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> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious I don't understand why not. I have a total of five friends who have each chosen to drive for various ridesharing companies, and in the conversations I've had with them, it seems pretty clear that none of them would be drivers if they couldn't set their own schedules, or if they were othe…

Flexible schedules has almost nothing to do with employees vs contractors.

In the UK at least, flexible time and place of work (as well as use of company equipment to do your work) are considerations when considering whether you can be classed as self employed.

Re the base comment, it's almost not worth replying to as any:

"you can't do X and consider yourself Y" comments are in themselves silly, because answering in the general case - I have a different definition of Y to you - you can think of our internal definitions as an ordering of by .

For example, I care a lot about humanity being happier and more equal but I think that in the long term this is something which will have to be provided by the state and not employers, so I'm ambivalent towards laws trying to push employers into a paternal role.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #36

From the article, explained: At the time, Uber was dealing with widespread account fraud in places like China, where tricksters bought stolen iPhones that were erased of their memory and resold. Some Uber drivers there would then create dozens of fake email addresses to sign up for new Uber rider accounts attached to each phone, and request rides from those phones, which they would then accept. Since Uber was handing…

This really doesn't match up with how the conversation/outrage is playing out on Twitter right now. People seem to be interpreting this as "Uber continues to track your location after you have deleted the app," when what really happened seemed to be "If you delete Uber and then reinstall it on the same phone, Uber knows that it's the same phone."

See for example this Tweet, with hundreds of retweets and lots of verified replies:

https://twitter.com/dnvolz/status/856166875511894016

"This is like a holy trinity of privacy disaster: 1) secret tracking that 2) persists after users delete app 3) in knowing violation of rules"

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