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Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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One annoying thing with the Uber app is that they disabled the option to give access to location only when the app is running. The only option available in the iOS privacy setting is always or never for access to location (unlike other apps).

I can't understand why Apple allows this.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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Since "unroll.me" was anonymizing data[1] and then sold that data to Uber, is it safe to assume that Lyft used the subscription service to manage their drivers/customers contact information? If not, it's not clear to me how "unroll.me" provided that data to Uber. [1] quote from article: Using an email digest service it owns named Unroll.me, Slice collected its customers’ emailed Lyft receipts from their inboxes and s…

https://unroll.me/ is a service that searches your inbox to see what potentially-unwanted emails you're subscribed to, and automates the process of unsubscribing from those emails.

So they had access to the inboxes of people who happened to be Lyft customers, without any business relationship with Lyft.

From their privacy policy at https://unroll.me/legal/privacy/ :

We also collect non-personal information − data in a form that does not permit direct association with any specific individual. We may collect, use, transfer, sell, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. For example, when you use our services, we may collect data from and about the “commercial electronic mail messages” and “transactional or relationship messages” (as such terms are defined in the CAN-SPAM Act (15 U.S.C. 7702 et. seq.) that are sent to your email accounts. We collect such commercial transactional messages so that we can better understand the behavior of the senders of such messages, and better understand our customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising. We may disclose, distribute, transfer, and sell such messages and the data that we collect from or in connection with such messages; provided, however, if we do disclose such messages or data, all personal information contained in such messages will be removed prior to any such disclosure.

We may collect and use your commercial transactional messages and associated data to build anonymous market research products and services with trusted business partners. If we combine non-personal information with personal information, the combined information will be treated as personal information for as long as it remains combined.

Aggregated data is considered non-personal information for the purposes of this Privacy Notice.

Apparently, if you're not paying for it, you're, yet again, the product.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious . If you really want to do this use public transportation .

> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious I don't understand why not. I have a total of five friends who have each chosen to drive for various ridesharing companies, and in the conversations I've had with them, it seems pretty clear that none of them would be drivers if they couldn't set their own schedules, or if they were othe…

Flexible schedules has almost nothing to do with employees vs contractors.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just diagnose someone with a condition that isn't found in the DSM and then cite your own website as a source of evidence?

The linked page is indeed ridiculous. Don't bother. But: Narcissistic Personality Disorder: DSM-5 301.81 Also mentioned but not properly defined in ICD (F60.8)

I'm referring to OP's diagnosis of "Malignant Narcissism", not NPD.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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From the article, explained: At the time, Uber was dealing with widespread account fraud in places like China, where tricksters bought stolen iPhones that were erased of their memory and resold. Some Uber drivers there would then create dozens of fake email addresses to sign up for new Uber rider accounts attached to each phone, and request rides from those phones, which they would then accept. Since Uber was handing…

I have heard that it is quite possible. Supposedly if you measure enough characteristics of the phone, the combination of such characteristics is enough to uniquely identify a phone. May be able to poll such information you measure with those measured by other apps.

There are quite a bit of SKUs, but not enough to make the phone unique itself. You'd ultimately need something more special to do so, such as the MAC address.

It's not clear if such code would work today on the latest iOS version but maybe. They probably used a private API to do so, and that itself was obfuscated in the compiled binary such that apples automatic analysis would fail to catch it.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious I don't understand why not. I have a total of five friends who have each chosen to drive for various ridesharing companies, and in the conversations I've had with them, it seems pretty clear that none of them would be drivers if they couldn't set their own schedules, or if they were othe…

Flexible schedules has almost nothing to do with employees vs contractors.

It seems related.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #36

From the article, explained: At the time, Uber was dealing with widespread account fraud in places like China, where tricksters bought stolen iPhones that were erased of their memory and resold. Some Uber drivers there would then create dozens of fake email addresses to sign up for new Uber rider accounts attached to each phone, and request rides from those phones, which they would then accept. Since Uber was handing…

Could be via other apps using ubers native sdk writing to a common key store. ala Google sharing auth between apps on iOS.

Such key stores are wiped on erase. They more likely used the wifi MAC address.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious . If you really want to do this use public transportation .

> I don't think you can support a ridesharing company that by design treats employees as contractors and also be socially conscious I don't understand why not. I have a total of five friends who have each chosen to drive for various ridesharing companies, and in the conversations I've had with them, it seems pretty clear that none of them would be drivers if they couldn't set their own schedules, or if they were othe…

> he might drive for 14-15 hours in one day

This, by the way, is probably illegal, as it is extremely dangerous. If I'm taking a taxi, I'd like to know my driver is not on the brink of exhaustion.

Re: Uber CEO Plays with Fire

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post #45

For all the criticism he is getting, this would never have happened without him. Taxi companies are too strong, and the US needed someone like him to break barriers. Lyft would never have existed without Uber. Now that Uber broke through the path (and is getting destroyed for it) the way is open for lots of other companies. It happens all the time that the company that invents or creates something new, does not actua…

> this would never have happened without him

How can you be so sure of this? The person who came up with the concept behind Uber was not Kalanick, it was Garrett Camp.

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-travis-kalanick-bio-2014...

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