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Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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"In the latest filing, Alphabet says Uber hid a lidar device Levandowski designed based on these files. The company says Uber obfuscated the existence of a piece of lidar technology at an April 12 hearing.

Uber denies this and says it eventually produced the device in question. "

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Can't say I'm shocked to see Uber's dishonesty here. From all the other claims against them (Lyft and sexual harassment) it seems like this type of behavior is standard operating procedure. This culture is set from the top. It's only a matter of time that Travis will step down. Sooner the better so they can start working on improving integrity throughout the organization. In the 90's, Microsoft was skewered for a lot…

Travis won't step down, and no one can make him. He still has a majority of the voting rights (Wait, is that right? I know I heard that somewhere).

He seems like the type to let the ship sink, just so long as he gets to stay the captain.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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I'm a bit confused — has anything developed since the lawsuit was filed in late February[0]? [0]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3474305-1-Main.html

Yes, you're actually commenting on a thread which is discussing the latest updates. From the article: "In the latest filing, Alphabet says Uber hid a lidar device Levandowski designed based on these files. The company says Uber obfuscated the existence of a piece of lidar technology at an April 12 hearing." https://www.recode.net/2017/4/21/15390074/alphabet-uber-hidi...

Sorry — that's what I get for skimming.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Can't say I'm shocked to see Uber's dishonesty here. From all the other claims against them (Lyft and sexual harassment) it seems like this type of behavior is standard operating procedure. This culture is set from the top. It's only a matter of time that Travis will step down. Sooner the better so they can start working on improving integrity throughout the organization. In the 90's, Microsoft was skewered for a lot…

Travis won't step down, and no one can make him. He still has a majority of the voting rights (Wait, is that right? I know I heard that somewhere). He seems like the type to let the ship sink, just so long as he gets to stay the captain.

As any entrepreneur who believes in their own vision should imo.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Can't say I'm shocked to see Uber's dishonesty here. From all the other claims against them (Lyft and sexual harassment) it seems like this type of behavior is standard operating procedure. This culture is set from the top. It's only a matter of time that Travis will step down. Sooner the better so they can start working on improving integrity throughout the organization. In the 90's, Microsoft was skewered for a lot…

I've been thinking about this lately. The whole character assasination of Uber happenned in the last 2 months - while all the issues, have, allegedly, been around for a long time. And all this publicity right in time for the multi-billion lawsuit...

Now, I don't know enough about the situation to come to any conclusions, but the fact that no one here on HN have yet expressed the same doubts.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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I know the law has a complicated relationship with logic, but in normal usage, Uber's claim that it is no longer interested in LIDAR, even if taken at face value, clearly has no bearing on the question of whether it was party to an earlier theft of LIDAR-related documents.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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They do have revenue, but not profit, lost $3B last year despite seeing growth in revenue . The business goal (the product itself) is 10000x times better than Groupon. Car service is more direct. Groupon isn't a bad idea either, but the experience isn't as direct and as Uber. You see, emailing me / texting me offers is great, but I don't have time to scroll down and read the same kind of email everyday. If instead at…

> The business goal (the product itself) is 10000x times better than Groupon. To illegally set up a non-compliant taxi service that doesn't pay taxes, that doesn't pay minimum wage to its employees, that has been banned already in several countries, that ignores human safety introducing illegally self-driving cars, it is not a very good business model.

It's worth noting that at least where I am (Australia), taxi owners/operators don't pay minimum wages to their independent contractor drivers. The business model of the incumbent taxi services is fundamentally not really different from Uber's.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Also based on a pattern of behavior. These issues are systemic and have been going on for years. This is the same company that ignores sexual harassment claims, illegally tracks and blackmails journalists, deploys highly questionable anti-competitive tactics at will.

I used to work at a very successful tech company that became the Goliath in its market and saw first hand how the media vilified us and interpreted every little thing we did through evil-colored glasses. I few issues were legitimate criticisms but they were textbook cases of situations where Hanlon's Razor should have been applied. Everyone assumed malice where there there was at worst poor judgement. Eventually the…

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Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Based on what proof. The article provided nothing in the way of evidence, just Google's claim. They could claim anything. Since when did HN stop exercising healthy skepticism?

Based on Uber producing the device in question eventually. It's in the article.

And the argument was that they did not go forward on that design. So they took it, investigated it and did not use anything they learned in the process.

Re: Alphabet claims Uber was hiding the self-driving tech that it allegedly copied

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Just an observation .... locating the 20th century car industry in Detroit gave them an unfair advantage over California. Cars have to function correctly in bad weather -- rain, ice, snow, etc. Taxicabs especially. Imagine a transport system in a city like New York or DC where taxis don't function in a rainstorm. It's in bad weather that drivers earn their pay. I know from experience that the Tesla driver assistance…

Like Pittsburgh?

Especially Pittsburgh with bridges and hills.
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