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A Mind is Born

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Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by 505 »

jmcphers wrote: post #8
EvanAnderson wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Procedural generation of interesting output being created by very small bits of code makes me think very profound thoughts about how life "works". Physics provides the virtual machine that life executes within, and tiny machines interpreting the "instruction set" of a genetic code are just generating procedural output.

If you're interested in the implications of this view, Stephen Wolfram (of Mathematica fame) has a book called A New Kind of Science[0] that explores how the complexity of the universe can arise from simple machines following simple rules. [0] https://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/toc.html

a review at http://www.gregegan.net/ESSAYS/ANKOS/Ankos.html

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by shkurkin »

This is amazing. I transitioned from working as a musician to development a few years ago and have recently been thinking of ways to merge the two in interesting/meaningful ways. Often times I feel like a lot of what I enjoy in art is left out of music made primarily with/by computers. This is one of the first examples I have seen that really delivers on medium, message and just plain enjoyment. Really inspiring.

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by sjg007 »

shkurkin wrote: post #42

This is amazing. I transitioned from working as a musician to development a few years ago and have recently been thinking of ways to merge the two in interesting/meaningful ways. Often times I feel like a lot of what I enjoy in art is left out of music made primarily with/by computers. This is one of the first examples I have seen that really delivers on medium, message and just plain enjoyment. Really inspiring.

There is a lot of opportunity here especially with neural networks.

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by shkurkin »

sjg007 wrote: post #43
shkurkin wrote: post #42

This is amazing. I transitioned from working as a musician to development a few years ago and have recently been thinking of ways to merge the two in interesting/meaningful ways. Often times I feel like a lot of what I enjoy in art is left out of music made primarily with/by computers. This is one of the first examples I have seen that really delivers on medium, message and just plain enjoyment. Really inspiring.

There is a lot of opportunity here especially with neural networks.

I agree, but I have yet to hear any music generated by a neural network that I enjoy beyond the novelty of it. Feel like the focus is on the neural network, not the music, with the neural network as the instrument.

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by diydsp »

Gracana wrote: post #23
johansch wrote: post #21

"In the absence of an actual 256-byte compo, it was submitted to the Oldskool 4K Intro compo at Revision 2017, where it ended up on 1st place." :-) (I hope the other contestants were suitably ashamed of themselves.)

I hope they had fun and enjoyed themselves.

Lol, my production with nom de nom came in last place against this one...

At one point while coding our music player, I wondered if something simpler and more algorithmic might be more effective :)

So yeah I was both spanked and I learned a lot. I always watched these cracktros as a kid and now get the chance to write them with the benefit of hindsight, a career in micro controllers and 20 years of music playing experience...

I'm glad the scene is still going and there are great tools out there to accelerate the process.

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by sjg007 »

shkurkin wrote: post #45
sjg007 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of opportunity here especially with neural networks.

I agree, but I have yet to hear any music generated by a neural network that I enjoy beyond the novelty of it. Feel like the focus is on the neural network, not the music, with the neural network as the instrument.

I mean it should be the instrument... or at least an approximation of one!

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by strainer »

maxerickson wrote: post #40
strainer wrote: post #39

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I wrote "our human and animal conciousness should probably not be equated with virtual representations" Your reply did not follow... no empathy.

I think I understood what you wrote. I just doubt that some people extending empathy to virtual personalities will lead to meaningful numbers of other people retracting it from humans.

I half expect powerful futuristic AI to figure out and enlighten us as to the specialness of our conciousness, the transience of simulations, and perhaps to define the special arrangements required to create life of similar importance to ourselves, should we really wish to do so... in the non-traditional way.

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by monk_e_boy »

msutherl wrote: post #38
l33tbro wrote: post #33

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I recommend checking out a record that came out in 1984 by a guy called Manuel Göttsching called E2E4. I'm sure a lot of coders here know it, as it's brilliant for concentration and is just a beautiful piece of music in its own right. I'm not going to provide a Youtube link, as it's really worth hearing in at least 320 kbps.

Some free associations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgGU8Vy3xoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIi_ZMBfQs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d38xbAFnCSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamT4XESYG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQWCUXNsUyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY-9cGBdxNw&list=PL8kGLx6Th4... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM251rMyfUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oBl0xq16G0

The band "The Algorithm", although more rock/metal is kinda chip-tune enough for me.

https://youtu.be/zwG97ah0mEU?list=PLB687_YKwVcBhVI8bzQ_yjj4Q...

https://youtu.be/dJwNfRaPp08?list=PLB687_YKwVcBhVI8bzQ_yjj4Q...

Re: A Mind is Born

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Post by agumonkey »

Terr_ wrote: post #18
EvanAnderson wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Procedural generation of interesting output being created by very small bits of code makes me think very profound thoughts about how life "works". Physics provides the virtual machine that life executes within, and tiny machines interpreting the "instruction set" of a genetic code are just generating procedural output.

> Physics provides the virtual machine "Very clever, young man, but it's virtual machines all the way down!"

Since we're talking about it :

https://pages.lip6.fr/vvm/publications/0008SBAC.pdf

https://pages.lip6.fr/vvm/publications/

courtesy of folliot and piumarta

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