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A Mind is Born

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Re: A Mind is Born

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This is one of the most impressive things I've seen this year - and the song is rather catchy (been playing it on repeat). Amazing work! Also great job winning the comp.

I wish I could speak more on the technological side of it, but I'm not well versed in this area. So all I can offer is praise.

Re: A Mind is Born

#32
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This has a beginning that you may find interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)

Its a powerful fantastic idea, but Im personally concerned that our human and animal conciousness should probably not be equated with virtual representations, no matter how accurate or convincing certain renderings might get. Mostly because I would never be fearful of switching a simulation off - for its "own sake". Im concerned that people can feel the same way about each other, if they believe in the equality of co…

So you are worried that virtual representation will lead you to close off your empathy for humans?

The alternative is to extend it to the simulations.

Re: A Mind is Born

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> The melody is generated by a linear-feedback shift register (LFSR). Thus, in one sense, the melody is randomly generated. But I spent a considerable amount of time tweaking the random process until I found something that was musically satisfactory. This is just mind blowing to me. The music is actually really good, I've been playing it on repeat and I just wish it could be longer.

I recommend checking out a record that came out in 1984 by a guy called Manuel Göttsching called E2E4. I'm sure a lot of coders here know it, as it's brilliant for concentration and is just a beautiful piece of music in its own right.

I'm not going to provide a Youtube link, as it's really worth hearing in at least 320 kbps.

Re: A Mind is Born

#34
I mean... Amazing stuff. How..?

My mind refuses to believe it's actually possible EVEN AFTER I TRIED IT AND SAW IT WORKING.

The universe is a lie.

Re: A Mind is Born

#35
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Procedural generation of interesting output being created by very small bits of code makes me think very profound thoughts about how life "works". Physics provides the virtual machine that life executes within, and tiny machines interpreting the "instruction set" of a genetic code are just generating procedural output.

If you're interested in the implications of this view, Stephen Wolfram (of Mathematica fame) has a book called A New Kind of Science[0] that explores how the complexity of the universe can arise from simple machines following simple rules. [0] https://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/toc.html

I only made it half way through that book. I kept waiting for his "new kind of science", but there wasn't any science at all. It was just (paraphrasing): "hey! look at this cool automaton! ... and this one! this one too!". I like automata just fine, but that book was a huge disappointment. If he ever gets to the "new" part or the "science" part, please let me know and on what page.

Re: A Mind is Born

#36
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This triggers multiple levels of wonder. That the tune alone is compose-able from 256 bytes is uncanny. What would this have been like to witness in the 1980s ? -being as it could have been published as a relatively easy to type magazine listing. The name "A Mind is Born" has special resonance at this time as there has never been more popular anticipation that artificial minds will soon be able to coalesce from the s…

Indeed. I would argue that this is actually a 270 byte demo, as knowing the title is essential to the full experience. :-)

Re: A Mind is Born

#38
post #33
post #7

> The melody is generated by a linear-feedback shift register (LFSR). Thus, in one sense, the melody is randomly generated. But I spent a considerable amount of time tweaking the random process until I found something that was musically satisfactory. This is just mind blowing to me. The music is actually really good, I've been playing it on repeat and I just wish it could be longer.

I recommend checking out a record that came out in 1984 by a guy called Manuel Göttsching called E2E4. I'm sure a lot of coders here know it, as it's brilliant for concentration and is just a beautiful piece of music in its own right. I'm not going to provide a Youtube link, as it's really worth hearing in at least 320 kbps.

Some free associations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgGU8Vy3xoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLIi_ZMBfQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d38xbAFnCSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamT4XESYG0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQWCUXNsUyQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY-9cGBdxNw&list=PL8kGLx6Th4...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM251rMyfUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oBl0xq16G0

Re: A Mind is Born

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its a powerful fantastic idea, but Im personally concerned that our human and animal conciousness should probably not be equated with virtual representations, no matter how accurate or convincing certain renderings might get. Mostly because I would never be fearful of switching a simulation off - for its "own sake". Im concerned that people can feel the same way about each other, if they believe in the equality of co…

So you are worried that virtual representation will lead you to close off your empathy for humans? The alternative is to extend it to the simulations.

I wrote "our human and animal conciousness should probably not be equated with virtual representations"

Your reply did not follow... no empathy.

Re: A Mind is Born

#40

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So you are worried that virtual representation will lead you to close off your empathy for humans? The alternative is to extend it to the simulations.

I wrote "our human and animal conciousness should probably not be equated with virtual representations" Your reply did not follow... no empathy.

I think I understood what you wrote. I just doubt that some people extending empathy to virtual personalities will lead to meaningful numbers of other people retracting it from humans.
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