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A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by bonesss »

kibwen wrote: post #8

Indeed, it seems that github.com/docker/docker now redirects to this. From a technological perspective it's irrelevant, but from a brand management perspective it's baffling. Did they perceive the Docker brand as tainted in some way?

The Docker brand is "tainted" in the eyes of their commercial competitors who don't want to use shared tools/libraries.

By creating an independent project commercial actors in the Enterprise space can share resources, components, and standards without having to explain why they`re better than Docker even though they`re built on top of Docker.

This is a great move towards industry and container infrastructure orchestration standardization. Common APIs will go a long way to widespread container adoption.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by [deleted] »

bonesss wrote: post #36
yeukhon wrote: post #23

This is the one of the worst kind of business decision one can make. But I am not theirCTO and CEO. While not the same as Vagrant being replaced (and then revived because the alternate project was a burden), feels the same shitty decision IMO. Plently of people run successful OSS under the same name. Disappointing.

I believe you might be reading the situation backwards... Dockers underlying components are quite usable for many solutions in other projects and platforms. Now, instead of having "Docker TM" components in their stack, OSS projects can connect the tools without seeming to support a specific commercial provider. Presently there is a lot of confusion and OSS projects are hesitant to use Docker components because of the…

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Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by DonHopkins »

logicallee wrote: post #19
bravura wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was aware of the slang term "docking" in Canada and the United States. I believe it is a commonly accepted term in the gay community. See, e.g. http://www.thebody.com/h/docking-and-HIV-transmission-risk.h...

but you're not my parent poster...and you didn't actually answer the question about whether it had negative connotations. (specifically, the term "docker" doesn't appear on that page in that form.) I am asking whether it's the first thing my parent poster, or anyone, would first think of, for example if the project were named "wanker".

Here in Amsterdam it has positive connotations in the gay community. I just want to get a Docker t-shirt before they all run out.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by MaxfordAndSons »

bandrami wrote: post #22
pi-rat wrote: post #20

From comment by @stykes on the pull request: Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE. Nothing is dead; and everything that was open-source remains open-source. In fact we are open-sourcing new things.

The pre-emptive defensiveness of that comment says a lot...

It wasn't really pre-emptive, people were already freaking out in the thread.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by tcrews »

kentt wrote: post #33
holydude wrote: post #15

Why am I having the feeling that Docker Inc is being pissed about everyone making money off docker except Docker Inc. themselves ? This is not nice.

Oh, because it's true. Their employees were fairly outspoken about it at Dockercon. I had one just dramatically and rudely turn and walk away from me mid-sentence when I mentioned I was using Kubernetes.

I didn't know the animosity level was that high. This is disturbing.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by heeey »

This is a bait and switch of whale proportions.

Docker used to be the open source part. Now that's being moved out of the way so when you search for Docker you get the paid offerings. The goal is to confuse the people who haven't been following this into thinking Docker is a thing you pay Docker (the company) for.

It's brilliant.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by MaxfordAndSons »

colept wrote: post #39

What about all the SEO, Stack overflow questions, and the differentiation between the two(?) platforms?

Dunno about SEO, but the SO/other questions shouldn't be too big a problem I imagine - the end-use related questions will still be in the right namespace.

Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components

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Post by holydude »

kentt wrote: post #33
holydude wrote: post #15

Why am I having the feeling that Docker Inc is being pissed about everyone making money off docker except Docker Inc. themselves ? This is not nice.

Oh, because it's true. Their employees were fairly outspoken about it at Dockercon. I had one just dramatically and rudely turn and walk away from me mid-sentence when I mentioned I was using Kubernetes.

This is why I hate SW business and I am very picky about services / software I use. I really dislike companies undercutting competition with practices like this.
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