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A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
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Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#32Bad title. That's not what's happening. Moby is the name of the open source project.
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#33Why am I having the feeling that Docker Inc is being pissed about everyone making money off docker except Docker Inc. themselves ? This is not nice.
Oh, because it's true. Their employees were fairly outspoken about it at Dockercon. I had one just dramatically and rudely turn and walk away from me mid-sentence when I mentioned I was using Kubernetes.
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#34Excerpts from mobyproject.org give a much better explanation: Moby is an open framework created by Docker to assemble specialized container systems without reinventing the wheel. It provides a “lego set” of dozens of standard components and a framework for assembling them into custom platforms. Audience Moby is recommended for anyone who wants to assemble a container-based system, this includes: Hackers who want to c…
Moby is the fedora like oss project and docker is the RHEL like commercial product. Purely a clever rebranding job. Timing is perfect - now that enterprise is adopting the technology, when you tell your boss you adopted moby he/she will say- but the CTO wants to be seen as being innovative for adopting this new technology and ita called docker not moby!
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#35More information can be found there: https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/32691 > Docker is transitioning all of its open source collaborations to the Moby project going forward. Should I understand that the core team wants to keep the brand "Docker" but use it in a commercial way, while Moby will be the underlying open source code? Is it Docker/Moby = RHEL/Fedora ? or Docker/Moby = Mongodb.com/Mongodb.org?
Also from that thread: Moby = open source development Docker CE = free product release based on Moby Docker EE = commercial product release based on Docker CE. Nothing is dead; and everything that was open-source remains open-source. In fact we are open-sourcing new things.
So essentially the difference between Chromium and Chrome?
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#36This is the one of the worst kind of business decision one can make. But I am not theirCTO and CEO. While not the same as Vagrant being replaced (and then revived because the alternate project was a burden), feels the same shitty decision IMO. Plently of people run successful OSS under the same name. Disappointing.
I believe you might be reading the situation backwards...
Dockers underlying components are quite usable for many solutions in other projects and platforms. Now, instead of having "Docker TM" components in their stack, OSS projects can connect the tools without seeming to support a specific commercial provider.
Presently there is a lot of confusion and OSS projects are hesitant to use Docker components because of the perception of a closed eco-system. Now the project has clearer commercial branding and a more appealing package set for OSS consumers.
Remember: many of the most important actors we need to collaborate in this space are direct commercial competitors to Docker Inc.
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure you'll clean up your phrasing (since you're getting downvoted for some reason) but could I ask, is this something you really first thought of when you heard the name? Is it UK slang? I've never heard it. I don't think you should be downvoted for the info (even though it doesn't actually apply, they will keep the name for their commercial stuff) as it's news to me.
Living here, I don't think this use is common in the UK at all.
But "moby" is rhyming slang for "sick" (as in not healthy)! Appropriate in this case? Hopefully not.
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#38More information can be found there: https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/32691 > Docker is transitioning all of its open source collaborations to the Moby project going forward. Should I understand that the core team wants to keep the brand "Docker" but use it in a commercial way, while Moby will be the underlying open source code? Is it Docker/Moby = RHEL/Fedora ? or Docker/Moby = Mongodb.com/Mongodb.org?
from https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/32691 as well: > defining an open, community-centric governance inspired by the Fedora project
That's a great idea. I really trust Red Hat and they have consistently delivered.
I don't think the same applies to Docker Inc. so my initial reaction is step on the brakes here.
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#39What about all the SEO, Stack overflow questions, and the differentiation between the two(?) platforms?
Re: A new upstream project to break up Docker into independent components
#40If I read this correctly they split up the Docker repository into several components. The moby repo pulls these together and spits out a build (or many builds?). So for instance one might choose an alternative container runtime to containerd? Then there's an officially supported set of components from which they build Docker CE. But why is Docker now called moby? Doesn't make sense to me.