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Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#101

Post by maccard »

fredsir wrote: post #86
ika wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. If you want IDE like features i.e Autocomplete than you have to spend days to make it work and even after that it doesn't work like other "GUI" editors. + Terminal interface is very limiting to have nice plugins... I'm really glad I've switched to VSCode..

> Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. Indeed, but it doesn't really matter since the default experience in VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode or any other IDE or editor doesn't work for me out of the box either. I have to change things anyways, and I can't change VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode to fit my liking, but I've been able to change tmux+vim to it,…

> Indeed, but it doesn't really matter since the default experience in VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode or any other IDE or editor doesn't work for me out of the box either. I have to change things anyways, and I can't change VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode to fit my liking, but I've been able to change tmux+vim to it, although it could be even better.

I disagree. The default settings of Visual studio work perfectly fine for me. As an added advantage, I can use other developers in my companies workstations to show them something quickly if I need

> For stuff like Go, Rust, Elixir, Python and so on, it works fine with when just installing the default "brand" plugin.

and so on? I'm a C++ developer. Setting up C++ autocomplete is anything but straightforward in vim and emacs

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#102

Post by wruza »

ika wrote: post #75
fredsir wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you guys doing with your configurations? I've been using vim since 2009 and tmux for the last 5 years. Initially, I had to figure out how things worked, and that took some time, but I never spent any time configuring it now except if I find a new plugin and figure out a new feature I'd like to add.

Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. If you want IDE like features i.e Autocomplete than you have to spend days to make it work and even after that it doesn't work like other "GUI" editors. + Terminal interface is very limiting to have nice plugins... I'm really glad I've switched to VSCode..

>Nothing works out of the box

Usually because the box doesn't have coreutils, make and exctags installed. Bloated plugins are snakeoil, they push vim to the dark^WIDE side, where the battle is too Pyrrhic to win.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#104

Post by ajross »

zeroxfe wrote: post #30

All this looks really great, however I think I just can't deal with the effort of maintaining these complex editor configurations anymore. I've been a multi-decade Vim user, until I switched to VSCode last year. It made me realize how much better the user experience can be for an editor. I had all kinds of complex vim configurations and plugins with special cases for linux vs. mac, server vs. desktop, GUI vs. termina…

Seems like this needs to provide your definitions for "better" or "high quality". I haven't tried VSCode yet, but I play with Atom on occasion just to see what the cool kids are doing. And I go back to emacs every time scratching my head that people still spend their lives on the mouse and arrow keys.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#105

Post by fredsir »

maccard wrote: post #101
fredsir wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. Indeed, but it doesn't really matter since the default experience in VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode or any other IDE or editor doesn't work for me out of the box either. I have to change things anyways, and I can't change VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode to fit my liking, but I've been able to change tmux+vim to it,…

> Indeed, but it doesn't really matter since the default experience in VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode or any other IDE or editor doesn't work for me out of the box either. I have to change things anyways, and I can't change VSCode or IntelliJ or Xcode to fit my liking, but I've been able to change tmux+vim to it, although it could be even better. I disagree. The default settings of Visual studio work perfectly fine for…

> I disagree. The default settings of Visual studio work perfectly fine for me.

That's lucky for you, but unfortunately, it's not the case for me at all.

> As an added advantage, I can use other developers in my companies workstations to show them something quickly if I need

I might be using other peoples computers 10 hours a year, but I'm using my own maybe as much as 2200 hours a year. It doesn't seem logical to take the first scenario into account when deciding whether to customise ones setup or not, but it's indeed a nice bonus if ones optimal setup is the default one that every other developer is using too.

> and so on? I'm a C++ developer. Setting up C++ autocomplete is anything but straightforward in vim and emacs

I don't use C++ anymore, but 7 years back when I did, it worked good enough for my use case, and the problem with other IDEs and editors were the same back then as it is now, where they were actually hindering my work, which a less than perfect "intellisense" doesn't at all. YMMV.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#106

Post by name_for_now »

hultner wrote: post #32

I usually use :!command to run a command real quick from within vim, where I also have access to the current filename and contents. A classic gem is ":w !diff % -" to see what I've changed since the last save.

I used to run more commands from vim, but now I personally find Ctrl-Z is usually more convenient for all the one-off commands. If I do run stuff from inside of vim, it's now usually ":w !" or ":r !" (or some custom command wrapper around those).

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#107

Post by dmix »

Touche wrote: post #91
juandazapata wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. I built my .rc files like 10 years ago, and only edit them about twice a year to add a plugin or modify a keybinding. Not a pain to maintain at all.

Why is it weird? You created yours 10 years ago, great. For those of us who didn't it is a bit of a hassle.

Pretty much everyone knows the price of admission to using tools like Vim and Emacs is the time investment in config and learning the quirks.

What the OP is saying that this doesn't have to be a perpetual state. Once you invest effort early on getting it right you often don't need to touch it, beyond a few tweaks now and then. The maintenance burden definitely declines over time.

Then all you need is a storage solution like git and GNU Stow or the various clones (plenty of good ones around or just use a basic dir).

There are a few preconfigured configs on github, ala oh my ZSH but for Vim or Emacs. That's one solution.

But otherwise if you're not a fan of this config heavy approach then it's not for you. Just like using Linux desktop vs Mac. I love the configurability of Archlinux and I've similarily reached a mature point in my configs where setting up a new machine is zero work and I rarely need to tweak it, nor does it ever 'break' (which is a side effect of constant change).

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#108

Post by erikb »

hultner wrote: post #32

I usually use :!command to run a command real quick from within vim, where I also have access to the current filename and contents. A classic gem is ":w !diff % -" to see what I've changed since the last save.

And as many other cool vim features, you can even extend that usage by combining it with other features. For instance, you can read the output of a command into the current buffer by ":r !command".

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#109

Post by erikb »

I'm really a little disappointed how much this article is about using plugins and additional tools instead of learning to integrate both tools by oneself. At least vim is not a tool that gets better by plugins.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#110

Post by [deleted] »

Touche wrote: post #91
juandazapata wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. I built my .rc files like 10 years ago, and only edit them about twice a year to add a plugin or modify a keybinding. Not a pain to maintain at all.

Why is it weird? You created yours 10 years ago, great. For those of us who didn't it is a bit of a hassle.

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