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Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by Touche »

juandazapata wrote: post #40
zeroxfe wrote: post #30

All this looks really great, however I think I just can't deal with the effort of maintaining these complex editor configurations anymore. I've been a multi-decade Vim user, until I switched to VSCode last year. It made me realize how much better the user experience can be for an editor. I had all kinds of complex vim configurations and plugins with special cases for linux vs. mac, server vs. desktop, GUI vs. termina…

Weird. I built my .rc files like 10 years ago, and only edit them about twice a year to add a plugin or modify a keybinding. Not a pain to maintain at all.

Why is it weird? You created yours 10 years ago, great. For those of us who didn't it is a bit of a hassle.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by Touche »

ika wrote: post #75
fredsir wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you guys doing with your configurations? I've been using vim since 2009 and tmux for the last 5 years. Initially, I had to figure out how things worked, and that took some time, but I never spent any time configuring it now except if I find a new plugin and figure out a new feature I'd like to add.

Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. If you want IDE like features i.e Autocomplete than you have to spend days to make it work and even after that it doesn't work like other "GUI" editors. + Terminal interface is very limiting to have nice plugins... I'm really glad I've switched to VSCode..

Same exact experience here. Like, I could never get ES6 highlighting to work in Vim. Just flat out didn't work, so all non-ES5 code I write looks terrible. Could be a conflict with my theme or something else. I don't know, or care to do the work to figure it out.

I used Vim for a good 5 years. I still miss many things about it, but a shitty default UX is not one of them.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by dotsh »

shazow wrote: post #89
dotsh wrote: post #85

Nice article, I used tmux for a long time until I switched back to screen as it is default on most operating systems. -- Dunno is it only me but I see a weird thing going on with "new" Vim community. Everyone is starting to use it as a VSCode or Atom, trying to use hundreds plugins but most of them don't even know how to use tabs properly... I see most of this by new "neo" fans "you don't know how to make a thing in…

Neovim is not what you think it is. It is a vanilla vim, it's just a fork of the codebase/community. It's not a package/distribution like Spacevim is.

I know what neovim is. I was talking about answering to all vim problems with "did you try neovim?"

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by cmurf »

Another idea is a tiling terminal program. I just started using Tilix.

https://github.com/gnunn1/tilix

It has panes, sessions, windows. Customizing is a lot easier if you're not already familiar with tmux. The one thing you get with tmux that's killer is if your shell dies (remote disconnect, you have to logout, etc) the processes in tmux keep running.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#96

Post by erikb »

taude wrote: post #44

Looks like what he really needs/wants is an IDE.

In fact, if you are not on Windows your OS already _IS_ an IDE. An OS is software, so it also needs to be developed. Therefore it was natural for OS developers to create their OS in a fashion that enables development. Apple and Microsoft are the only exceptions, and Apple somewhat backtracked on that path to enable developers as well.

Some easy things are usually much faster to learn in a traditional IDE, since it has GUI. But that often leaves people less able to continue development _OF_ their development environment. If you want the full power or understand how stuff works underneath you better use an OS that works as IDE, e.g. Linux.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

#97

Post by microtonal »

omurphy27 wrote: post #71
red2awn wrote: post #11

Neovim got a great builtin terminal emulator so I can just treat it like any other vim panes.

This. I tried tmux but it required too much configuration, whereas Neovim just used my current terminal, already configured exactly the way I wanted it. I had to make a few small tweaks, like making it easier to switch between VIM and terminal panes, but overall I'm very happy with the Neovim + terminal mode setup.

One of the attractions of tmux is that you can attach/detach sessions in arbitrary terminals, which is incredibly handy when working remotely.

Does Neovim provide this functionality?

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by fredsir »

Touche wrote: post #93
ika wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing works out of the box, especially if you are trying to make two plugins work nicely with each other. If you want IDE like features i.e Autocomplete than you have to spend days to make it work and even after that it doesn't work like other "GUI" editors. + Terminal interface is very limiting to have nice plugins... I'm really glad I've switched to VSCode..

Same exact experience here. Like, I could never get ES6 highlighting to work in Vim. Just flat out didn't work, so all non-ES5 code I write looks terrible. Could be a conflict with my theme or something else. I don't know, or care to do the work to figure it out. I used Vim for a good 5 years. I still miss many things about it, but a shitty default UX is not one of them.

I feel ya. tmux+vim looks terrible compared to for example VSCode. Problem is that VSCode just works much worse (for me at least) for editing code, navigation, running commands and so on, and I'd rather have an ugly editor that works great, than the opposite.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by AkBKukU »

1001101 wrote: post #78

Hmm. I use both vim (and vi since '93 or '92), and tmux, but maybe not with this type of workflow - mine is similar. For a shell, I use ConqueShell (and ConqueGDB when debugging) and have a vertical split bound to a leader (and you can use the output as a normal buffer - copy, paste, scroll, search using regex in normal, etc are some of the benefits). I've got shift+arrow bindings for navigating around buffers in spl…

I've been using this recently as well. ConqueGDB is almost perfect. I want to have a tab for development that is just files and a tab for debug that is a split with gdb and one file viewer for stepping & etc. But if I set breakpoints in my development tab the Conque buffer has to create a new split and show itself there. So I have to close it every time after I set breakpoints.

I had some problems with CounqueShell and ended up finding it easier to switch to a "real" shell using byobu.

Re: Tmux and Vim – better together

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Post by nilkn »

zeroxfe wrote: post #30

All this looks really great, however I think I just can't deal with the effort of maintaining these complex editor configurations anymore. I've been a multi-decade Vim user, until I switched to VSCode last year. It made me realize how much better the user experience can be for an editor. I had all kinds of complex vim configurations and plugins with special cases for linux vs. mac, server vs. desktop, GUI vs. termina…

I've used vim for a long time and simply don't bother with different configurations for different special cases. I also never bother with GUI versions. Just always use the terminal and only use plugins that are cross-platform.
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